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  •  So what you're saying is that (none)
    we should nominate Edwards?  So they can blast him for not having foreign policy experience?  And only 4 years in the Senate and no other gov't experience?  And they can blast him for voting for the IWR but not to fund the $87 billion - which they spun as voting against body armor for god's sake?

    If you're afraid of the spin machine, nominating Edwards won't protect you.  And I like Edwards.  But we've already seen what they have in store for him.

    Whoever we choose they will spin like crazy.  They will have us convinced he's satan himself if they have to.  We could nominate Jesus and they'd trash him.

    There's no candidate on earth or in our imagination that they can't put the spin to.  

    I say let's break the spin machine instead of bowing before it.  It's all smoke and mirrors anyway.  

    •  Six Years In The Senate (none)
      Just for the record.

      9/11 + 4 Years = Katrina... Conservatism Kills.

      by NewDirection on Sat Dec 03, 2005 at 01:48:59 PM PST

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      •  I stand corrected. (none)
        He was elected in 1998 but didn't take office until 1999.  His senate term expired in 2004.  

        So pretty damn close to 6 years.  

        And still they will spin and attack.

        Again, no matter who it is, they will attack.  So let's pick the best candidate, WHOEVER IT IS, and stand by that person.  

        Let's not let fear of spin determine who it is, because there's no escape from it.

        I really like Edwards, too.  I'm waiting to hear what they all have to say.  

        Except Hillary, Biden, et al, who want to ride the fence and take no responsibility for their votes and their positions.  Ass kissers.

        •  Exactly Six Years (none)
          The elections are generally at the end of even years, and then the pols take office early in the following odd-numbered year. He announced his retirement in 2004, but did not leave office until his term was up. His last vote in the Senate, at his last opportunity to vote, was in December of 2004.

          Six years to the day.

          9/11 + 4 Years = Katrina... Conservatism Kills.

          by NewDirection on Mon Dec 05, 2005 at 07:27:15 AM PST

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    •  <snark> (4.00)
      Of course they wouldn't elect Jesus, He was JEWISH.

      Sunlight is the best disinfectant

      by historys mysteries on Sat Dec 03, 2005 at 02:03:07 PM PST

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    •  Rove feared Edwards the most... (none)
      It was well documented in the last campaign that the Bush campaign wanted any dem but Edwards to go against. Edwards had a short senate record, and they knew the ambulance chaser thing wouldn't work since he defended mostly children. Edwards has the Iraq vote, which he denounces now. Edwards voted for the Patriot Act which they can't bash since they voted for it too. The 87 billion is tired and I highly doubt they'll be bringing that one up again. As for the foreign policy experience, he probably has as much as Feingold, maybe I'm wrong? Edwards was on the senate intelligence committee, he is on the board of foreign relations to Russia. He has met with the leaders of Nato, Blair, Brown and encouraged many leaders of UAE to invest in poor areas of the middle east. The leaders of NATO said that when they met Edwards they weren't expecting much. But he actually did something that no other American politician did, he listened to them.
      •  well-documented? (none)
        please provide documents, then. as far as i know, the only dem who got republican ads run against him in the primaries was dean.

        crimson gates reek with meat and wine/while on the streets, bones of the frozen dead -du fu (712-770)

        by wu ming on Sat Dec 03, 2005 at 03:30:30 PM PST

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        •  They weren't ads... (none)
          Journalists were commenting on what they heard from different sources within the white house. Did you never hear those things? I read that story about Rove not wanting Edwards in many articles back during the primaries and election season. It seems like most of my fellow libs never payed any attention to Edwards during the primaries. Barely any libs even remember Edwards saying during one of the primary debates that he regretted his Iraq War vote. I'm going to spend some time getting the footage of the debate, articles about Edwards being the most feared amongst repubs and the control group that PBS did showing that Edwards would have whipped Bush in a head to head match up. I'll post it when I have some spare time to gather everything. I'll post a diary here soon. :)
          •  so let me get this straight (none)
            rove hints to journalists that he'd be really scared oif this edwards guy, the reporters report it as fact, and we're supposed to take it as uncomplicated fact? or the converse, that rove leaks to reporters that he thinks dean will be a cakewalk, which gets reported as well?

            given the source and the MO, do you think that ann richards was a lesbian, or that valerie plame pulled strings to get joe wilson a job? why be so credulous when it comes down to your guy, then?

            crimson gates reek with meat and wine/while on the streets, bones of the frozen dead -du fu (712-770)

            by wu ming on Sat Dec 03, 2005 at 06:50:01 PM PST

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      •  Why are we making such a big deal (none)
        out of foreign policy experience?  George Bush became president(note I did not say was elected)without ever being out of the country.  The only foreigners he probably even knew were members of the Saudi Royal family.

        If someone could make a president out of George Bush, who actually had a shitty record as govenor, probably sent to death innocent people, never held down a productive job-let alone a job his dad didn't get for him and help clean up his big mess after he ran them all into the ground,was investigated by the SEC a couple times(never charged but never exonerated)he also was a deserter with a serious drug and alcohol problem, an arrest record, was a cheerleader in high school and college in addition to being a crappy student who only got in because he had a rich daddy,and to top it off his grandfather was a documented nazi sympathizer, if they can 'sell' this clown to the American people  what the hell is wrong with the Democratic party?!  

        I would think that the Democratic party should be able to 'sell' a guy who is smart, well educated, principled, who didn't grow up rich or look to public service as a way to get rich.(he is by far the least rich guy in the United States senate-yet he still doesn't take COLA raises). He has shown in actions and words that he cares about his country more than his career.(I don't know his personal life but I suspect that his dedication to his country may have also contributed to his divorce)  If the Democrats can't(or won't try)to sell that after this country is neck deep in corrupt political scandals, no-bid contracts, a stupid incompetently planned war that is killing our soldiers and weakening America. Huge budget deficits, torture, and a goverment that is now more into our personal decisions than ever in recent memory, more poverty, less health care, ect...we deserve to loose.  

        Does the devil wear a suit and tie, Or does he work at the Dairy Queen- Martin Sexton

        by strengthof10kmen on Sat Dec 03, 2005 at 04:06:18 PM PST

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