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  •  When did we stand for that? (none)
    From what I know, the Republicans have supported the idea of those agreements. GHWB was one of the forces behind NAFTA.

    I don't see the need in CAFTA. If NAFTA had been a big success, then maybe I would for CAFTA, but I'm sorta skeptical about CAFTA too.

    After CAFTA, What's to stop businesses from building more factories in places like Honduras and paying their workers nothing?

    "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

    by RBH on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 07:13:35 PM PST

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    •  Well (none)
      Does the fact that Republicans stand for something mean that we can't too? Are our positions to be dictated simply as 'against what those guys are for'?

      Sure, GHWB was behind NAFTA but so was the last DEMOCRATIC president. Clinton took alot of union flack but he pushed for it.

      Whats to stop them is that pretty much everything that uneducated low skill workers in Honduras can do is already obsolete in the US economy, and for the margins on that sorta stuff these days, employers probably couldn't afford most American labor.

      Opening for trade is going to have some ramifcations, some of which are going to be real tough, no doubt about it, but we can also be really successful with it, while at the same time producing positive results around the world. We need to make sure our domestic policies make sense in that context though, and right now, they don't.  

      •  The charges of "Republican-lite" (none)
        stick harder on economic issues than social issues.

        I'm not a 'free' trade skeptic for partisan reasons. I'm skeptical as to the impacts of these policies on our economy.

        There may be a successful way to make the best of some of our agreements.

        I'm no economist, but i'm no fan of supply-side economics and in reality, free trade isn't free. It does cost something. The catch is, is it costing the least that is plausible, or are we getting screwed.

        "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

        by RBH on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 07:31:55 PM PST

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        •  Meh (none)
          If people call Dems 'republican lite' but still vote for them, I don't really care. In some ways, our positions should be Republican lite. It's not a matter of lacking new ideas. There are just some really basic simple policy issues that need to be addressed and both parties realize that. So solving those problems should still be on our agenda even if its on the GOP's too. What voters need to be shown is the positive and inclusive form our policies will take. They need to see the democrats embracing policies that look towards the future represent commonsense solutions.

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