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View Diary: ND's Earl Pomeroy (D) to Dean: Shut up. (84 comments)

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  •  Its who Dean is (none)
    Its his media role as "loose cannon" and "far left" and "anti-war."

    Dean is the media face of the peacenik Democratic wing.

    •  Don't you mean to say (none)
      the face of that large, diverse group of people comprising peaceniks, lefties, righties, conservatives, and disparate others who felt that this war was being railroaded through congress based on lies and spin, that it was a disaster in the making, and that it would be a complete fuckup from start to finish?

      The face of the people who have been shown to be correct on just about every single one of those points?

      Does it really come down to the fact that people just cannot stomach that they were WRONG, and terribly, bloodily so?

      The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

      by RedDan on Thu Dec 08, 2005 at 08:57:45 PM PST

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      •  Perhaps (none)
        But politics, and winning elections, doesn't depend on any of the above. The current social and political reality is what it is.
        •  I think you are incorrect, (none)
          and I think that the recent results in the special elections and the recent trends in various public opinions regarding the war, the intelligence and how it was used, the president, and the republican party show you to be entirely incorrect.

          What is Bush's approval rating? Somewhere between 35 and 45%?

          Right.

          What is Dean's approval rating? around 50%?

          What is the approval of the GOP vs the Democrats? That's right, currently the Democrats enjoy a 10-15% lead over the GOP.

          So, what were you saying again? Or was that you projecting your opinion onto the nation and trying to mask your views behind the mantle of "social and political reality"?

          Social and political reality is that this war is a disaster, we cannot and will not win, and everybody knows it...only the people most responsible refuse to admit it, to admit their errors, and to work to make the best of a terrible situation...they would rather look for someone to blame.

          The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

          by RedDan on Thu Dec 08, 2005 at 09:56:15 PM PST

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          •  Dean's approve/disapprove (none)
            The last poll I can find, conducted by Pew in October, rates Dean as follows:

            4 Highly Favourable

            25 Somewhat Favourable

            22 Somewhat Unfavourable

            15 Very Unfavourable

            19 Never Heard of Him'

            15% Couldn't Answer (?)

            So basically, Dean has an approve level of 29%, a disapprove of 37%. Thats not that much better than Bush if you extrapolate.

            •  Lame. (none)
              34% either didn't know who he was, or wouldn't give an answer.

              More people said they saw him as favorable than said they saw him as unfavorable (25%-22%).

              The only place he loses is in the extremes, where nobody is changing their mind ANYWAY.

              So, really, what you're saying here is that he stands pat. This is hardly Joementum numbers.

          •  Dean's approval rating (none)
            I'd be quite interested if you have a link for the 50% approval.  I've never seen him break 30% as DNC chair.  The most recent I could find were 23/41 and 25/40 for fav/unfav.  Thanks.
            •  To both of you: (none)
              http://www.pollingreport.com/...

              Scroll down for Dean's numbers.

              Basically, the numbers show that of those who know who he is or have an opinion, there is a fairly consistent 50/50 split, approval disapproval. (2% approve, 27% disapprove, 26% approve, 29% disapprove, and so on).

              The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

              by RedDan on Thu Dec 08, 2005 at 10:31:19 PM PST

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              •  Missed an 8 (none)
                that first number should be 28%, not 2%...but if you click the link, you will see what I mean.

                The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

                by RedDan on Thu Dec 08, 2005 at 11:06:01 PM PST

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