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  •  Did you actually read what (none)
    Judis wrote?

    No?

    In fact, Dean is more credible than Joe L., Biden, and Kerry at this point - IF you base your judgement on facts, history, statements, and reality.

    That Dean is PERCEIVED as being a foreign policy naif is not necessarily the same is that he is, in fact, a naif.

    The fact that Dean and Murtha (and Hagel, Lugar, Scowcroft, Odom, and so many others) are SAYING THE SAME FUCKING THING would seem to me to effectively render your judgement moot, irrelevant, and pretty much inoperative.

    The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

    by RedDan on Thu Dec 08, 2005 at 09:16:57 PM PST

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    •  We're not talking about me. (none)
      We're talking about America. America doesn't trst Dean.

      They're wrong to do so, but sticking your head in the sand and pretending the 2004 primaries never happened doesn't make it so. I don't want Kerry doing this stuff either, for the same reason. They're damaged goods.

      You seem to think I agree with Pomeroy's position on the war. I've already said I don't, so knock it off. But just because I agree with Dean doesn't mean he's my choice to spread this message.  

      •  "America doesn't trust Dean" (none)
        How do you know that?

        My Dad, who is the most fundamentalist freeper-type of right-winger (and a career Army officer and an engineer with three degrees) actually told me way back when that he liked and admired Dean.

        Which shocked the hell out of me.  

        Dean is a straight shooter and people know that.  He doesn't bullshit.  That's appealing to everybody.

        If you really think "America doesn't trust Dean" you've been watching WAY too much mainstream media.

        That's what they want you to think.  

        You will NOT get a feel for what America thinks by watching CNN.  You will get the exact opposite.

        •  I posted this in response to RD above (none)
          I don't think Dean is quite the lightning rod some Dems think, but he isn't a great plus for the party either. Here are the most recent numbers on Dean I have:

          The last poll I can find, conducted by Pew in October, rates Dean as follows:

          4 Highly Favourable

          25 Somewhat Favourable

          22 Somewhat Unfavourable

          15 Very Unfavourable

          19 Never Heard of Him'

          15% Couldn't Answer (?)

          So basically, Dean has an approve level of 29%, a disapprove of 37%. Thats not that much better than Bush if you extrapolate.

        •  I don't watch CNN (none)
          Or any television news, for that matter, and I don't trust anecdotal evidence. Dean has been typecast as a peacenik who can't be trusted on foreign policy, even by a significant portion of Dem voters. You may not like or agree with their opinion, but that doesn't change it.
      •  America trusts (none)
        Dean more than they trust the President, and trusts the Democrats more than they trust the GOP.

        So tell me again what the public thinks, except this time, base it on real numbers, not on talking head psychobabble.

        The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

        by RedDan on Thu Dec 08, 2005 at 09:57:28 PM PST

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