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  •  What? (none)
    It's not incumbent on the diarist to provide sound evidence of a point, it's the duty of the reader to do that work?

    I always love the inversion of intellectual responsibilty that prevails on these threads.  "I said this, and I don't have to prove anything, it's up to you to disprove what I just said."

    Sheesh...

    The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

    by Dana Houle on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 09:51:23 AM PST

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    •  Sure it's the journalist (none)
      responsibility to provide proof. No one is doubting that BUT look at our mainstream media performance. They don't do their job so people here do it.

      You are not only calling out the diarist you are calling out anyone who provides what they think is relavant. I call that taking pot shots.

      There are even some here who call out a dKos diary and do the research to refute a point. What don't you do that?

      You say you have the ability to read and understand legislative bills. It's certainly not anything anyone else here has claimed.

      Don't you feel even the least bit interested in helping out here? It seems that your only interest is in telling everyone that they are wrong rather than providing a service to the community. You could provide a service that most of us can't get elsewhere.

      Step up, dude or are you afraid of someone questioning you?

      -4.25, -6.87: Someday, after the forest fire of the Right has died we'll say "Whew, I'm happy that's over."

      by CanYouBeAngryAndStillDream on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 10:18:33 AM PST

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      •  Oh, Sure (none)
        I'm afraid of being questioned, which is why I was a guest blogger here for 18 months.  

        I'm not an expert on Ohio election law, and I don't want to spend a week or two getting up to speed on the issues contained in a massive, multi-section bill.  Rather than posting on everything, I think sometimes we'd be much better served when people recognize their limitations and don't make unsupportable pronouncements that they can't establish, especially on issues on which it's unlikely that most people around here would have any  expertise.

        I've written things on voting procedures, and in a general way I'm very well informed, probably more so on the administrative aspects than almost anyone around here.  But I don't see any great virtue in writing something for which I don't have any great knowledge, and the Ohio compiled laws is one of those categories.  I used to do that shit for a living, and it's not easy and it takes time to really learn what you're doing.  I'm not so arrogant as to claim I know all the implications of a bill amending a C.L. with which I've never worked.

        The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

        by Dana Houle on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 11:23:51 AM PST

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        •  So, I'm wrong on the scared (none)
          part - sorry. I still wish you'd do the necessary work on the the analysis part and write a diary on it. You obviously are qualified. No one here is afraid of the truth.

          Would you rather leave it to me, a systems engineer? or my wife a health care worker? It's not that we're stupid but since it'd take you two weeks it would take me a lot longer than that.

          With Congressman Conyers admitting that they don't read all bills at the Federal level, State-level bills probably also don't get read. The few snippets we've seen here make it look like someone is trying to pull something so I'm immediately suspecious aside from the fact that it's a Republican-written bill.

          I'm not objecting to the ID part because frankly I don't see the issue admittedly possibly a factor of ignorance on my part. What I smell is an attempt to keep the process hidden and that bothers me greatly.

           

          -4.25, -6.87: Someday, after the forest fire of the Right has died we'll say "Whew, I'm happy that's over."

          by CanYouBeAngryAndStillDream on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 07:22:24 PM PST

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