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  •  Interesting, but not the key issue (4.00)
    After all, Saddam was very good at preventing terrorism in Iraq.

    The main question is the kind of country we live in, not how "safe" we are.

    •  But it is an arguably important issue (none)
      Before I start, let me preface with the fact that I am personally behind Feingold on this 100%.

      It is absolutely important to consider if we are any "safer."  You can certainly argue against the "Patriot" Act on the grounds that it is overly broad, it infringes on our constitutional rights, is generally not fair, etc.  However, our law is based on a continuous struggle to find the line between where your rights end and the greater good begins.  Clearly, most of us here believe the line should be closer to personal liberty and away from the government's police power, and that this law goes way over that line and is just a blatant power grab or an attempt to look like the government is "doing something."  But others in the middle take a more trusting approach, and that is where we need to fight.  In addition to telling people what they're giving up, we need to show them what they are getting in the bargain (very little or nothing).  As much as people value their rights, they value (perceived) safety more.  When it is clear that people are not getting what they bargained for, they will fight back.  So, keep asking our Dear Leaders what we are getting in exchange for our civil rights.

      (-7.25, -5.85) "Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law." - Thomas Jefferson

      by Slartibartfast on Wed Dec 14, 2005 at 03:33:58 PM PST

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      •  Your argument (none)
        was much clearer than mine, thank you.  My point in asking the question is to challenge the tactics of the right, who invariably accuse the liberals and the "militant librarians" of being so squishy and sentimental about civil rights they are willing to let terrorists blow up Disneyland.  Their premise is that the Patriot Act makes us safer.  I want to see them back up that assertion with proof.

        If not for the cat,
        And the scarcity of cheese
        I could be content.
        --Jack Prelutsky

        by Reepicheep on Wed Dec 14, 2005 at 08:48:51 PM PST

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