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  •  Another FP welcome McJoan (4.00)
    Welcome aboard....

    A foolish consistency (staying the course in Iraq) is the hobgoblin of George W. Bush.

    by wildcat6 on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 11:33:10 AM PST

    •  Thanks! (n/t) (4.00)

      "I have a philosophy about elections. I believe issues divide and values unite."--Gov. Brian Schweitzer

      by Joan McCarter on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 11:35:34 AM PST

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      •  Yes! I raise a glass of good cheer (4.00)
        (okay a 1/2 a cup of three-hour-old cold coffee) to your inaugural post!  It's really disconcerting, though, not being able to hit recommend.

        I love you and SusanG and Georgia10 all on the FP this AM.  Chicks rule!

        George W. Bush deserves a fair trial.

        by CJB on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 11:48:43 AM PST

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      •  You don't need my lowly fours now, (4.00)
        and I only offer them as a tribute as I shelter my eyes from the radiance of your countenance walk, head bowed, backwards, leaving The Presence.

        Kossacks: a large population of Medieval exegetes who each day grapple with the fabulistic opportunities of the early third milennium.

        by DCDemocrat on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 11:49:51 AM PST

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        •  I can only think of one response (4.00)
          and it's completely unoriginal.

          Heh.

          "I have a philosophy about elections. I believe issues divide and values unite."--Gov. Brian Schweitzer

          by Joan McCarter on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 11:54:02 AM PST

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          •  We would be bereft (none)
            Without the "Heh"s and comments of Front Page posters. congrats on the front paginess.

            But more topically, let us hope that the results of this election are such that the Iraqis have a government that most of them can get behind and trust as legitimate.  The hardest part about democracy is peacefully accepting the results of the vote when you lose.  Those who have not bought into the process have little incentive to lay down their arms unless they feel that there needs are represented and that they are not powerless.

            I always worry that Democracy there will be difficutl with their tribal, regional, and religious coalitions, but that is rather close to what we still have here.  Somehow voting patterns and race or religion seem to correlate not matter where you are.

            ...in the name of a totalitarian ideology that hates freedom, rejects tolerance, and despises all dissent
            -G.W. Bush
            -7.00 -7.74

            by Luam on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 12:11:18 PM PST

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            •  I can't help but draw parallels to (none)
              the former Yugoslavia, from the iron fist required to hold those disparate nationalities and ethnic groups together, to the centuries of hatred between them.

              I really see no way for Iraq to move forward as a single state, barring yet another iron fist. But I'm a pessimist by nature. Let's hope they can prove me wrong.

              "I have a philosophy about elections. I believe issues divide and values unite."--Gov. Brian Schweitzer

              by Joan McCarter on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 12:27:17 PM PST

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              •  Fearing parallels (4.00)
                It is difficult to imagine a governing compromise between the interested groups inside and outside of Iraq.  These people have generations of animosity towards each other, too many of the possible futures involve one group or another oppressing the other two.

                The concentration of oil in the Kurdish region makes a multi-state solution difficult, especially as Turkey does not want to see a Kurdish state on its borders.

                One need to hope for forbearance form a Shi'ite majority who have been oppressed too long by the B'athists.  That may be too much to ask unless the Kurds and Sunni's have enough power in any Democratic body to prevent the Shi'ites from dominating them, or the Shi'ites split into distinct political entities (secular v. religious?)

                Another scant possibility is that they unite in their opposition to US occupation and cooperate long enough for our troops to be withdrawn and the threat of international intervention fades.

                Each of those possibilities are unlikely, but I guess I am less of a pessimist than you.  Enough to help that the lines are askew.

                ...in the name of a totalitarian ideology that hates freedom, rejects tolerance, and despises all dissent
                -G.W. Bush
                -7.00 -7.74

                by Luam on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 01:23:51 PM PST

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              •  Switzerland (none)
                The French & Germans don't like each other but Switzerland is doing OK.
      •  OK, mcjoan, I have to clear this up right now: (none)
        Off-topic but absolutely essential:

        Should I mentally pronounce your handle "McJoan" (mihk-jone) or "M.C. Joan" (em-see-jone)?  Are we going Irish, hip-hop, or something else?

        Apologies if everyone else knows the answer but me.

        "If you [just] wanted to reduce ignorance, you could ... abort every Republican baby in this country, and your ignorance rate would go down."

        by Major Danby on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 11:53:30 AM PST

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        •  Causes major confusion (none)
          as many around here, including the boss, use the camel case "McJoan."

          It is indeed "mcjoan," but pronounced "McJoan."

          "I have a philosophy about elections. I believe issues divide and values unite."--Gov. Brian Schweitzer

          by Joan McCarter on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 11:55:47 AM PST

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      •  Joan! Joan! Joan! (none)
        You Rock!!

        :)

    •  "To Be Free and Fair..." (none)
      Iraqi Elections:

      Kudos to DailyKos for headlining the Joke of the Week. An inside joke that few seem to get.

      Democracy isn't elections. Many a dictator has won an 'election' by overwhelming landslide.

      Iraqi Elections: "To Be Free and Fair..."

      http://www.livejournal.com/...

      "This Election is to Make People Forget about the Occupation"

      http://www.livejournal.com/...

      Iraq elections: a democratic façade for a US puppet state

      http://www.livejournal.com/...

      CRIMES AND CORRUPTIONS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER NEWS

      http://www.livejournal.com/...

      by ccnwon on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 11:51:56 AM PST

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