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View Diary: [ED] My detailed dissection of Robert F. Kennedy Jr 's misguided Op-Ed on Nantucket Wind in the NYT (390 comments)

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  •  AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (3.33)
    It became clear in the autism debate that Kennedy the Lesser was either too stupid to do due diligence, or a hopeless liar cynically exploiting the concerns of others for his own benefit. I guess this controversy settles once and for all that he's a liar rather than a fool.

    Lux in tenebris lucet et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt.
    (The light shines in darkness and the darkness has not understood it.)

    by sagesource on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 06:29:19 AM PST

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    •  You obviously have another aggenda (4.00)
      where Kennedy is concerned.  I can't take anything you say on this topic seriously.
      •  He's been caught twice now. (none)
        What's the debate?

        Lux in tenebris lucet et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt.
        (The light shines in darkness and the darkness has not understood it.)

        by sagesource on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 06:44:20 AM PST

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      •  There is really excellent discussion ... (none)
        ... of the whole vaccine-autism matter over at Majikthise. I don't have links to her posts on the subject and, thanks to a case of either stomach fly or food poisoning, I can't take the time to dig them up.

        Although she comes out a bit more neutral on the subject than she went in, still it doesn't look good. She also posts links to medical and scientific blogs which essentially tear the argument apart.

        One of the most compelling arguments for me in this matter is that vaccines do NOT appear to be the cause --- but all the insistence that they are takes precious time and energy from researching other more likely causes, including (maybe especially) evironmental factors.

        •  My annoyance comes partly.... (4.00)
          ....from the sheer baldfaced lying in both cases. The vaccine/autism "link" can be challenged with a few minutes of Googling. Likewise, the "ARRRGH ugly rotten windmills" charge can be overthrown with a few pictures such as posted here. Kennedy the Lesser is not only dishonest, he's arrogant.

          Lux in tenebris lucet et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt.
          (The light shines in darkness and the darkness has not understood it.)

          by sagesource on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 06:59:33 AM PST

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          •  Agreed ... (4.00)
            I was truly hopeful about him several years back, and don't remember what turned me off to him --- it wasn't the autism thing, I know that. I also know i found myself thinking he sure does a lot of grandstanding on issus which really matter to me and which are very clouded by lots and lots of disinformation.

            He's not helping matters one bit, IOW, and is impeding progress, IMO.

            Why doesn't he talk about the damage domestic cats do to bird pops, for example? Perchance ... because it would really piss a lot of people off?

            Stuff like that. It's worse because you know he has access to the best possible information --- and he has the money and influence to get to that info. But he appears to be primarily interested in soundbytes. Shame.

          •  You are abusing the ratings system. (none)
            Please reread the guidelines on ratings and adjust your ratings accordingly.  Thanks.  

            -7.38, -6.62 Jesus + Fetus = SCOTUS (math by Jon Stewart)

            by lightiris on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 07:07:40 AM PST

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          •  bullshit (none)
            there is a very likely link between certain vacines and autism.  Science is far from proving otherwise.
            Do you work for some big pharmaceutical company?
            •  You say that like it's an insult. (none)
              Personally, I have high regard for those who work for big (or small, for that matter) pharmaceutical companies.

              Sure, vigilance is required to make sure some of the business end/marketing types involved don't get out of control, but the overall goals (and in most cases, the practical reality) is that the pharmaceutical industry has provided products that have great benefit to human health.  

              Sure, aging hippies making 'pharmaceuticals' out in the garage is good too, but just not for everybody.

          •  analogy (none)
            This is a rather flawed analogy. Whether or not there is a link between vaccines and autism is a matter of science. Whether or not wind farms are ugly is a matter of personal taste. I find the wind farms quite unattractive, actually, both in life and in the pictures that have been posted.

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