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  •  Methane from sewage and landfills (4.00)
    is already done and is a quickly growing industry.  Methane from the bottom on the ocean is problematic and not solved yet because the frozen stuff melts easily and then it gets away from you.  They're thinking of tubes, I believe to get the stuff.

    I say leave it at the bottom of the ocean.

    As the Wind Map shows, there's more than enough power from wind.  Add solar research, hydropower in Asia and from existing dams here and we don't need coal, oil or nuclear for electricity.

    Amory Lovins has pointed out that given the economics of wind and natural gas co-generation, ny 2050 we can avoid the worst of global warming if we play our cards right on other greenhouse gases such as methane and the replacements for CFCs, the HFCs and PFCs (which are all REALLY bad GHGs).  By 2050 half of our energy plant will be clean.

    So that's the Good News!  It looks like the economics of wind especially and natural gas cogen (which can then be switched to biogas or hydrogen), will SAVE US BY 2050.

    We will still have global warming and many problems and it won't be Utopia, but we avoid the worst of global warming.

    We must all, of course, blog our brains out like our good friend Jerome, to help push this along.

    And then take local action!

    •  I'm a big advocate of hydrogen (none)
      generated and stored by any means possible.  Got into a tussle with Meteor Blades over my assertion we'd better face our petroleum addiction as our greatest geopolitical threat: screw conservation as a goal, we must go cold turkey and stop importing Middle Eastern oil before we are dragged further into the inevitable Petroleum Wars, fighting for the last scrap of seagull in the bottom of the lifeboat.  This addiction has befouled our stance on human rights and democracy since the end of WW2, and arguably long before then.  Gulf War One, and our presence on Saudi soil, shows the craven and subservient role played by the USA:  we have become the well-armed lackeys come to the rescue of monarchies and slave states such as Kuwait and KSA.

      My own cockamamie solution involves a huge cash prize to the first 500 horsepower hydrogen powered motor to pull a semi trailer from coast to coast.

      People are usually more convinced by reasons they discovered themselves than by those found by others.

      by BlaiseP on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 08:53:36 AM PST

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      •  You are aware of course (4.00)
        That hydrogen is not an energy source?  The best way to look at hydrogen is that it is like a battery.  It stores the energy that is required to liberate it from, in most cases water.

        I agree that ultimately it is a good idea, because it will allow us to use electricity as a transportation fuel.  Additionally, it will allow us to overcome the major weakness of many renewable resources like wind and solar, that is that they are intermittent resources.  Therefore, their utility is dependent on a useful storage mechanism.  Hydrogen would be the ultimate storage mechanism for solar energy allowing let us say PV generated electricity to be used as a transportation fuel.

        But please remember that hydrogen, in and of itself is not an energy source.  It is a storage device, and whether or not it is a good thing depends in large measure on the method we use to generate the power used to make the hydrogen.  If we do it by burning coal, we are fucked.

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