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View Diary: [ED] My detailed dissection of Robert F. Kennedy Jr 's misguided Op-Ed on Nantucket Wind in the NYT (390 comments)

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  •  Any boats that can't avoid 500 sq feet of ocean... (none)
    ...have no business being on the water.
    •  You seem to have a problem with (none)
      the idea of trying to do something that costs in the hundreds of millions of dollars in the first place within the confines of the reality-based world.  By the way, your aggressive defense of this plan is ironic since I am in no way taking an absolute stance against it.  I am only posing questions about it that a reasonable person has both land and water-base existences would pose.  Your absolutism about boats having "no business being on the water" if they can't avoid it is rather arrogant and unfair.  Shit happens on the water and the first Nor'easter that comes around and catches the boating community by surprize may mean the death of the wind mills.  It will be ironic then because the first thing people will say is "that they had no business building the wind field in such a highly trafficed area", but no matter - if you insist on being right now then so be it.  Go right ahead and be an absolutist.  
    •  Oh Hey and By The Way... (none)
      I have spent the last four years watching a beautiful coral reef get blasted and filled over with land fill "for the betterment of the people on the land".  Thousands of years of coral development gone in four years.  Honestly, I am very concerned with the environmental impact of these structures on the sea bed.  I didn't bother going there because there isn't a single soul on this blog who has a fucking clue as to how dammaging we have been installing oil rigs, turbines or whatever.  The reason no one has a clue is that the sea is more mysterious than outter space at this point.  What I can tell you is that the fry population and the general fish population has taken a huge hit from both the land fill projects and the construction on the hills.  Have you ever been swimming through a dead coral reef?  I have.  It is perhaps the most depressing thing I have ever seen.  If you really want to know what I think in my absolutist moments it is this: keep you're damn "solutions" to human fuck ups on land where they live and give the fish a chance.
      •  Oh, how much you assume. (none)
        I grew up in Australia, and spent many summers on the largest coral reef the planet currently possesses, the Great Barrier Reef. I've seen the death of much of it, the rejuvenation of other parts of it, and heard many an environmentalist ASK for the sinking of old ships for use as artificial reefs, so that the sea beings that make use of such things could get a better foothold in an area.

        I also grew up with a father who sailed, so I know plenty about the hazards of obstacles in the water, but I'll tell you this - they'll always be there, whether they be driftnets, rock outcrops, reefs, sunk vessels, whales, other boats, oil rigs, pipelines, floating debris, or the results of backwash from landfill that idiots have thrown down to make their coastal property a little prettier.

        It's a big ocean. And throwing 25 steel poles down in 500 square feet of it isn't going to make a single bit of difference to it.

        On the other hand, closing down some gas-powered power plants just might lose a little pollution, be it air, land or sea-based pollution, so I'll take "minimal damage, longer term thinking" for $500, Alex.

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