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  •  Of course the targets of warrantless spying (4.00)
    are American dissidents and not terrorists.

    No one would hesitate to ask for (or grant) a warrant to do surveillance on someone who is trading voice-mails or e-mails with anyone from al Qaeda.  So that's not who the targets of these "black ops" are.

    The targets of the Bush/NSA warrantless spying thus have to be people whom everyone knows you cannot justify spying on, except as some kind of Nixon-Hoover type retaliation against Bush's "enemies list".

    So who are the targets? Cindy Sheehan? Joe Wilson?

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    by socal on Sun Dec 18, 2005 at 08:24:30 PM PST

    •  bingo. (4.00)
      that's exactly the point i'm trying to make as far as the NSA part of this mess is concerned. the only plausible reason to bypass the FISA court, a court which has proven itself since its inception to be very amiable to any and all warrant requests from the feds, is that those they wanted the NSA to snoop on were folks that even the FISA court would not grant, i.e. people with no discernible links to, well, anything.

      you want to spy on cindy sheehan or michael moore or, for that matter, the french UN ambassador?

      sick the NSA on their ass with your newly minted "war powers" delivered as ordered from an assmunch like john yoo.

      there really isn't any other good reason to engage in such risky and obviously illicit behavior.

      "after the Rapture, we get all their shit"

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      by lipris on Sun Dec 18, 2005 at 09:02:51 PM PST

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    •  howard dean? (4.00)
      john mccain? dan rather? mary mapes? tom daschle? russ feingold? john kerry? colin powell? john conyers? punch sultzberger? pat fitzgerald?

      by the time this comes to light, a lot of people are going to be royally pissed.

      crimson gates reek with meat and wine/while on the streets, bones of the frozen dead -du fu (712-770)

      by wu ming on Sun Dec 18, 2005 at 09:19:18 PM PST

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      •  in their view, dissidents (none)
        include each and every Democratic politician (with the possible exception of Joe Lieberman). I would be amazed if no phone calls of the Kerry campaign were monitored.
    •  "it's not a bug it's a feature" (none)
      which is referenced by the diarist, is used to describe a flaw that inadvertently is introduced to a product via a problem somewhere in the code, and of course, to add a humorous spin on it.

      And what is a "flaw"...well it is a undesirable behavior not anticipated by the designers.

      The behavior described by the diarist is neither unintentional nor undesirable (by the architects that is).  Rather, it is behavior that was intended all along.  

      Excellent diary!  And an extremely important issue.

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      by bluestatesam on Sun Dec 18, 2005 at 11:56:23 PM PST

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    •  It infuriates me (none)
      that this type of system would EVER be used on anyone, really, except for those determined, by a REASONABLE person, to be a potential threat to national security.

      I was reading yeaterday about a group called the Angry Gramndmas or Raging Grannies,(they are anti-war, like all Moms), and I began thinking this is the type of group  Bush or Rove or Cheney would find threatening, and would authorize the NSA to spy on.

      Makes me FURIOUS.

      I know I value my privacy, as I'm sure others do.

      I don't want some unknown punk snooping into my life, simply because he or she has the means to do so.

      Slippery slope, indeed.

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