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  •  You just opened the door (4.00)
    The NYT article was a peek through the keyhole.  Your dumpster diving in the Memory Hole has brought us a good look at the vast panorama of illegal surveillance activity which is the real story.

    Undoubtedly the Bush administration has been pursuing illegal civil rights violations ever since 9/11.  All of us knew that, and in those frightened days most of us didn't want to know about things like torture, rendition, domestic surveillance and the like.  Now that the icy fear has melted, the details are starting to trickle out and it's time for Bush to answer for his actions.

    Your revelation will be among the first of a steady drip of similar stories in the weeks and months ahead, I'll bet.  Some critical questions to focus on:

    1. Did the DOJ pursue surveillance after being denied permission by FISA?
    2. Were clearly innocent Americans (e.g. Cindy Sheehan, reporters, Barbara Boxer) targeted?
    3. Was this activity going on before 9/11?
    4. What were the roles and extent of participation of the CIA and FBI?

    -4.50, -5.85 "To initiate a war of aggression is ... the supreme international crime." ---Nuremberg Tribunal

    by Dallasdoc on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 05:00:28 AM PST

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    •  A ten watt bulb in ... (none)
       ... a tank of brown liquid.  A headline on a scrap of paper floats by the glass of our truth divers mask.  We see the name "Ashcroft" and the words "spying" and "criminal prosecution".  There is more in this tank of effluent, including (so the ancient stories say) meat-eating eels.  We need more light, we need more divers.  We need to find the plug in order to begin to drain this swamp.  I know I join you in my willingness to put my shoulders to the wheel.  I can't wait to see what these scavengers look like in the light of day.

      What I'm trying to say is, I think the story is even bigger.  Cindy and Barbara are small fry in this septic tank.

      Hold George Bush accountable. Hostility to the basic idea of accountability is the very core of his being.

      by Yellow Canary on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 05:22:12 AM PST

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    •  Was this activity going on before 9/11? (none)
      This is what was going on before then. IMHO, the real reason we couldn't possibly allow China to acquire Unocal was because then they would be in charge of the file cabinets.

      ...Act Locally, Think Globally, Love Universally...

      by nhwriter on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 05:26:17 AM PST

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    •  Imagine the possibilities (none)
      if one could do some widespread scanning and listening of calls and email communications.

      Imagine if you could use your crackerjack code breakers on encrypted communications like govt. communications, govt. leaders/friends/families, the U.N., embassies located here, other intel agencies, the military, corporate communications that use encrypted tunnels over the internet, individuals, political organizations, think tanks, privileged commun. in brokerage firms and financial institutions, scientific and research institutions, the media, and such.  

      Heck with the easy stuff - go for the encrypted communications that people think are safe.  Oh my -- Junior, we could be masters of the universe.

      That's just the tip of the iceberg.  I won't even let my mind wonder further into that territory at the moment.    

      In the name of national security, with secret laws that give the executive branch unlimited power, and an organization who has the tools to do it - all things are possible.  It simply then becomes a matter of motive and agenda.  That's the only thing that restrains it - how honorable and trustworthy the person who uses such powers.  And that's the scariest thing of all, given what they have shown us to date about what their true agenda is, and who benefits from all their endeavors.

      "Let him that would move the world first move himself." --Socrates

      by joanneleon on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 08:16:07 AM PST

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