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  •  People (4.00)
    need to understand that this is just part of a much larger issue. This post sums it up quite well from a standpoint that might get some traction with groups that don't normally agree with too many of us here on a lot of things.
    Read it.
    We have no more rights.

    Listen, buddy, if I could tell you in a minute what I did, it wouldn't be worth the Nobel Prize. -Richard Feynman

    by justme on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 03:40:59 PM PST

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    •  Agreed (none)
      That is the point we need to make in order to get through to these people.

      cheers,

      Mitch Gore

      Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

      by Lestatdelc on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 04:35:05 PM PST

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    •  Brilliant. (n/t) (none)

      Are we still routinely torturing helpless prisoners, and if so, does it feel right that we as American citizens are not outraged by the practice? -Al Gore

      by soyinkafan on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 06:04:04 PM PST

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    •  the suspension of Habeas Corpus (none)
      as evidenced by Padilla and Hamdi was where we lost our most precious rights, but I think that people could rationalize it by thinking they were bad people. However it seems extremely unlikely to me that either one was really a threat to Americans.  Since Hamdi supposedly fought against American troops in Afghanistan, it seems like there are crimes for which he could be convicted.  Padilla's situation is probably more cut and dried, I doubt they have a case worth talking prosecuting.  

      In either case, the Bush administration doesn't trust an American jury to do the right thing, or else they know they have nothing to prosecute.  I'm not sure which is more offensive, but what is offensive is that they choose to ignore the constitution.

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