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  •  More from NPR (4.00)
    A report from NPR this afternoon mentioned that someone found an earlier version of "Of Panda and People". They found that in the newer versions that had literally done a global find and replace of the word creationism from the older version and replace it with the words intelligent design.

    I find it so ironic that this groups talks about how this country was founded as a Christian nation when some of the early white settlers were trying to leave religious persecution in their own country.

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    by BCO gal on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 06:17:04 PM PST

    •  Find and Replace (4.00)
      That Of Pandas and People" switch helped prove to the judge that ID is nothing put a Potemkin village for unconstitutional Creationism (the replacement happened after a SCOTUS ruling against creationism).

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      by philgoblue on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 06:28:12 PM PST

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      •  Yup... (none)
        ...which is why the judge, in his own ruling, says things that make it all but impossible for the Fundies to try yet another rebranding effort.  They simply can't go out and invent a new term like "Intentional Entropic Distortions" and globally replace the words "intelligent design" with that new term.
        •  they'll probably try (none)
          Intelligent Evolution.

          That way no one can ever say evolution

          /shrug

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          by Silent Lurker on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 10:03:22 PM PST

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        •  the new term is 'sudden emergence theory' (none)
          http://www.nytimes.com/...

          In the recent trial, a lawyer grilled an intelligent design proponent on why a textbook the witness helped to write substituted "intelligent design" for "creationism" in a later edition and with "sudden emergence theory" in a draft of a future edition.

          "We won't be back in a couple of years for the sudden emergence trial, will we?" the lawyer asked.

          To which Judge Jones interjected, "Not on my docket."

    •  trial transcripts here (none)
      trial transcripts

      the Decision handed down can be found
      here

      We have no future because our present is too volatile. We only have risk management. The spinning of the given moments scenario. Pattern Recognition. ~W. Gibson

      by Silent Lurker on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 06:56:09 PM PST

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    •  Well, "some" would be correct... (none)
      when some of the early white settlers were trying to leave religious persecution in their own country

      But there were other settlers who were seeking the chance to live their religion in freedom and force others to do likewise.

    •  Revisionist History? (none)
      Sounds a bit revisionst to me.
      Ho Ho Ho
    •  Partially founded on intolerance (none)
      Not all 'white settlers' came to the Americas to escape religious intolerance. Some came because as a minority they couldn't themselves persecute other people in their Old Country.

      As I have mentioned in a previous post Massachussets used to hang Quakers found within the boundaries of the colony.

      The Separation of Church and State was a brilliant attempt to avoid Federalising such problems. It pissed of a lot of people at the time who wanted an explicitly Christian state, but fortunately the Enlightement groups engineering teh constitutional settlement could play off the mutual hatreds and suspicions of the Faith-based activists.

      The Dover Skirmish is part of a struggle as old as the USA.

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