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  •  Somewhere Stephen J Gould flipped them the thumb (4.00)
    Here's Judge Jones's decision (PDF), link via the Nat'l Center for Science Education.
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    Send mad props to the late Stephen Jay Gould, a very evolved man, by supporting Project Steve
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    Treason's Greetings, Karl Rove (DOB Xmas Day, 1950), the grinch who stole freedom.

    by Peanut on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 06:23:06 PM PST

    •  Good gravy. (none)
      Send mad props to the late Stephen Jay Gould, a very evolved man--

      Look, I know that this was an offhand joke of yours but it reflects in small a sentiment among many liberals who believe with touching self-importance that they are "more evolved".  One sees the same idea in those moronic "EVOLVE" fish with the wrench.  Putting "evolve" in the imperative makes as much sense as commanding ice to melt.

      The larger point is this.  The only criterion of evolutionary success is reproductive success.  The population that sustains itself best evolves.  There's nothing at all in the concept, not one damn thing, about being smarter or more "progressive" or anything of the sort.  It may very well be that the persons you consider to be to be the least "evolved" because (say) they're ignorant Jesus freaks are indeed the best outfitted for long-term propagation.  If you like that horrid Dawkins person you should realise the same thing is true of ideas as well as living organisms:  long-term replication is all that matters.  Hence it's entirely possible, indeed probable, that Gould (whom I admire, mind you) is less evolved, insofar as the concept of being "more evolved" has any meaning at all; if his sort dwindles while creationists thrive then it's Gould who represents the dead end.

      The lesson?  The concept of evolution is utterly devoid of any notion of superiority whether intellectual or moral.  Progress and evolution are not the same; there's no directionality to natural selection.  So you "more evolved" guys had better find some other way to feel good about yourselves.

      Invisible airwaves crackle with life, bright antennae bristle with the energy

      by Ernest Tomlinson on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 10:24:13 PM PST

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      •  i feel good now (none)
        ... because Richard Dawkins is one of my intellectual heros.

        Still, I essentially agree with your point. Indeed it appears that the wealthier and better educated a society or group becomes, the lower the birth rate. Which really has quite interesting implications.

        Give us back the America we trust and respect!!!

        by icerat on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 11:45:14 PM PST

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      •  Tks for showing pompous superiority at its worst (none)
        The concept of evolution is utterly devoid of any notion of superiority whether intellectual or moral.  Progress and evolution are not the same; there's no directionality to natural selection.  So you "more evolved" guys had better find some other way to feel good about yourselves.

        For crapping out sideways, talk about a misplaced disproportionate ill-humored temper tantrum.
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        Maybe you'd better find some other way to feel good about yourself. I dunno, buy a dictionary ... look up the meanings of words, commonly understood usage, shit like that?
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        Get a friend?
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        Treason's Greetings, Karl Rove (DOB Xmas Day, 1950), the grinch who stole freedom.

        by Peanut on Wed Dec 21, 2005 at 12:32:54 AM PST

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      •  sigh (none)
        The (witty) quote was not using the word in the biological sense.

        If you like that horrid Dawkins person

        I doubt that you're one to cast such aspersions.

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