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  •  thanks for your reply (none)
    but I'm still going to play the role of stickler and say that if you are in a position where a large portion of the public seems to be uneducated about evolution, we should make an effort to be well-informed and accurate. How are you going to educate people about "Natural Selection" if you say it occurs by chance.  

    Mutations occur in an unpredictable way, based on the exposure of the reproductive genes to error and damage -- chance if you will.

    Selection means just that, and that, over long periods, of time, NATURAL SELECTION is the POWER of the evolutionary process.

    People who don't get evolution, just BARF, when you tell them something as complex as the human eye developed by CHANCE, as well they should. That's a ridiculous concept.

    But there are examples today in nature of all the necessary steps of eye evolution. Light sensitive spots on skin, and when those spots occur naturally in a indentation that allows the creature to get a rudimentary sense of  depth perception of the light it senses... and so on over stretches of time long enough to wear down the grand canyon grain, one grain of sand at a time. It's a POWERFUL, naturally DIRECTED, process.

    And it's a beautiful thing, if you don't mind a subjective note. As is your patience with me!

    First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. ~~ Mohandas Gandhi

    by TimeTogether on Wed Dec 21, 2005 at 08:08:04 AM PST

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    •  as has been noted several times, (none)
      "occurs by chance" and "is random" are two very different things.  Evolution inexorably climbs Mount Improbable -- it is not random, even if chance determines the exact path that it takes and which peak it ends up on.  So it's fair, and accurate, to say that evolution occurs by chance, but it is not a random process.

      People who don't get evolution, just BARF, when you tell them something as complex as the human eye developed by CHANCE, as well they should. That's a ridiculous concept.

      No, actually it's not, which is why, while eyes have developed several times over during the history of evolution, they have not developed in all branches  of the evolutionary tree, and why those different independent developments of eyes differ in numerous ways, and why the eyes of related species differ in various ways that can't all be attributed to adaptation.  The fact is that  all mutations occur independently of their adaptivity -- the contrary would be some teleological process such as intelligent design, of which there's no evidence -- and most are adaptively neutral.  Modern biologists recognize that there's a lot more going on than natural selection -- e.g., genetic drift, neutral selection, sexual selection, the "founder effect", etc.

      •  email me and we'll take this offline (none)
        For two people who seem to be agreeing, we are going 'round and 'round. I can't understand why.

        You are truly an Evolution Geek. But what hope do we have of reasoning with ID people if we can't come to an agreement ourselves?

        First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. ~~ Mohandas Gandhi

        by TimeTogether on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 05:10:41 AM PST

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        •  If you agree with what I wrote, (none)
          then in what sense are we going 'round and 'round?  And why do you say we can't come to an agreement -- that's inconsistent.  And if we agree, why waste time on email -- or here?  It certainly isn't worth my time -- I think I was clear enough, and don't feel any need to discuss it further.  As for reasoning with ID people -- that's also a waste of time; many of them aren't interested in reason, and they all need an education in science, which isn't my job.

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