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  •  Power and war (4.00)
    Americans need to sit down with themselves and ask if they really believe that winning wars is so important as to throw out every Constitutional provision regarding separation of powers, and regarding the rights of the people.

    The question of what is acceptable to do in pursuit of winning a war has been fundamental to American politics since the Revolution, when the whole thing very nearly fell apart over the public's DEEP hostility to a standing army and fears of its role in politics, its impact on liberties. The crisis was averted only when Washington stepped in and insisted the military be subordinate to Congress, and that the soldiers lay down their weapons and go home at war's end to be on an equal level with all other citizens.

    Today, too many Americans seem to believe that winning a war - however it is defined - is of paramount importance, that no right, no law, no Constitution can stand in its way.

    In the 20th century especially, wars have been the occasion of governmental abrogations of our rights and liberties. Often these abrogations have been unnecessary and of dubious legality. But, we've tolerated them by and large, convincing ourselves they were necessary to achieve victory.

    And now, the bill has come due. Using Americans' desire for victory, Bush has made himself into an absolute monarch - the very thing utterly despised by Americans of the 1700s, the thing that gave them terrors in the night.

    I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day

    by eugene on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 10:14:25 PM PST

    •  The people who support Bush (4.00)
      And support the "temporary" removal of our rights and the checks and balances inherent in the constitution are suffering from two delusions:

      1. These rights, etc. will be restored once this war is over (whatever "this war" is or that it will ever be over).

      2. All this spying, renditioning, torturing, etc. is happening to "them" and "they" deserve whatever the heck "we" do to "them" because "they're" not "us".

      They and them being a laundry list of anyone ranging from non-christian to not the right type of christian, and from not American to not the right type of American.

      That's why it's so dfficult to prod his supporters from their little safe nests. They won't hit the cold, hard ground until they are personally affected by Bush's sweeping rape of our nation. Mindless, reasonless discrimination and hate is very difficult to counter. These people's minds are closed to anything that doesn't fit into their cookie-cutter lives.

      Bush - the ultimate example of the Peter Principle.

      by PatsBard on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 10:40:51 PM PST

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    •  I got into this (4.00)
      with a redstater the other day. LeonH, I believe.

      He says we need to win in Iraq, he also said we could've won Vietnam.

      I conceded he may have been right, but only after sacrificing tens of thousands of US troops and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese.

      The fact is, we would have had to devastate North Vietnam. No half measure would do, Charlie wasn't going to stop coming. We literally would have destroyed that nation to save it.

      The same situation exists is Iraq. I have slowly come around to a position of immediate and total withdrawl. I am rock solid on it now. This is because I understand that we are in a similar (if somewhat different) situation today.

      The situation in Iraq is intractable. This is guerrilla war, and the support for the insurgency is only likely to increase. Haji isn't going to stop coming. We will have to destroy Iraq to save it.

      He said something to the effect that that was fine and dandy with him. Go USA.

      Fucking pathetic.

      "I am not a crook" - The Honorable Richard M. Nixon

      by tricky dick on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 10:42:19 PM PST

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    •  Sieg heil! (none)
      is what some other people said who very much wanted victory.

      Endsieg oder Untergang!

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