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  •  Bingo! (none)
    As much as I hate to admit it, I'm afraid you're exactly right.

    It's like deja vu all over again.  

    Remember how we let ourselves go crazy over Scooter Libby and Fitzmas Day?  That was the big one, that one that would magically lead straight to the top and bring down the whole tainted regime.

    And what happened? Nothing? Worse than nothing?

    And now, a couple months later, for the vast majority of Americans, Scooter Libby is down the memory hole, never to return, and Bush and Co. sail merrily along.

    Well, guess what? If you liked that, here it comes again.

    We're going to get all worked up, run around screaming and waving our hands, braying for impeachment, and nothing is going to happen. Nothing.  

    In this case, Bush won't even take a ding in the polls, in fact, I predict he'll soon be above 50%, if only because he can spin stuff like this to his advantage, to show that he's tough, "willing to do what it takes", even if it violates the law.

    A month from now and this won't be but a tiny figure in the Bush rear view mirror, the one he never looks in.

    •  Bush isn't getting away with this (none)
      "In this case, Bush won't even take a ding in the polls, in fact, I predict he'll soon be above 50%, if only because he can spin stuff like this to his advantage, to show that he's tough, "willing to do what it takes", even if it violates the law."

      Being tough does not require throwing out our constitution, and by doing so Bush has overstepped his authority.

      Our system is one of checks and balances, and our founding fathers knew that to allow anyone in power the ability to "rule" without such checks and balances could easily lead to creating a "kingship."

      Like it or not our government is one that works best when the rule of law is followed, when there is accountability, when the rights of the innocent are protected.

      This isn't going away, it will be the downfall of an administration that has done more harm to our government, to our nation and to our constitution then any terrorist could ever hope to do.

      Bombs may destroy buildings, but what Bush has done is to destroy the very foundation that makes us a nation of checks and balances, a nation of laws that do not allow for one man to rule without oversight or accountability.

      Bush's numbers are going down, and they aren't going to be climbing anytime soon.

      "September 11, 2001, already a day of immeasurable tragedy, cannot be the day liberty perished in this country." Judge Gerald Tjoflat

      by SanJoseLady on Wed Dec 21, 2005 at 08:13:44 AM PST

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    •  Tip: The bubble of the news cycle isn't reality (none)
      For one thing, Libby's hardly down the memory hole. His trial hasn't even started yet. (Fitzgerald's not done, BTW.)
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      Bush's secret, illegal, unconstitutional spying on citizens goes well beyond what Libby has been indicted for.
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      This really does hit home with most people: for instance, anyone concerned about basic rights like privacy. If you know someone who doesn't give a shit about, say, personal information like financial records in the wrong hands, you need to leave the armchair more often.
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      Most people wouldn't stand for trusted family and friends going through personal information without prior permission. What makes you think they want a hoard of untrustworthy chronic-liars like Bush and his crooked administration buffooning around in it?
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      Treason's Greetings, Karl Rove (DOB Xmas Day, 1950), the grinch who stole freedom.

      by Peanut on Wed Dec 21, 2005 at 08:16:49 AM PST

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      •  Down the Memory Hole (none)
        For one thing, Libby's hardly down the memory hole. His trial hasn't even started yet. (Fitzgerald's not done, BTW.)

        Sorry, I think you're dead wrong on both counts.

        One) Scooter is so far down the memory hole that he's never coming back, at least not as a political issue. And all of our magical thinking, wishing and hoping, won't bring him back.  

        Two) Fitzgerald is done. He's labored mightly and produced what? A mouse of an indictment.  

        Yeah, he's still investigating, but this case gets more complex everyday, and now with Woodward saying that Novak's source wasn't even in the White House, what is Fitzgerald likely to turn up that would be helpful to our cause?

        By the way, what percentage of Americans even know who Scooter Libby is?   Ten percent? Fifteen percent? It's not a big enough percentage to matter politically, and it especially won't matter if he either cops a plea deal, or gets acquitted at trial, both of which are real possibilities.

        Bush's secret, illegal, unconstitutional spying on citizens goes well beyond what Libby has been indicted for.

        Indeed it does, but that's not the point I was making.  

        The point I was making was that being seen as bending/breaking/destroying the law in order to "protect" American lives isn't a losing position politically for Bush.

        Look around. The Republican media campaign has already started, one in which he's "strong" and Democrats are "weak". He's anti-terrorist and Democrats are pro-ACLU.  

        You and I could write the GOP commercials in our sleep. It's the same old script, the one that's worked a thousand times in the past, and shows every sign of working again in the future.

        Yes, people care about THEIR privacy, but it won't be THEIR privacy that's at issue (at least not as it is being spun) it'll be the privacy of TERRORISTS that the W is invading.

        And, if the GOP campaign is successful, as I predict it will be, Bush will be above 50% approval rating in January, at which point the more conservative Democrats in congress will go all weak in the knees on hearings.  

        At which point it'll be game over.

        Frankly this sucks big green donkey dick.

        But, it's what's happened over and over and over again in the past, and you'd be foolish not to see it's potential for happening again.

        •  You and your Magic 8 Ball aren't reality either (none)
          Sorry, I think you're dead wrong on both counts.

          Think all you want. Libby still has to go to trial. Lawyer of the Year P-Fitz isn't done yet.
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          Oh, and Bush is still a disgusting criminal and no amount of deflection will obscure that repulsive fact.
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          Treason's Greetings, Karl Rove (DOB Xmas Day, 1950), the grinch who stole freedom.

          by Peanut on Wed Dec 21, 2005 at 11:53:41 AM PST

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    •  Please! (none)
      It's like deja vu all over again.

      Please don't use this expression.  It's so freakin' overdone.  I think people are starting to think it's correct.

      "Everything seemed possible to the powerful and the privileged, so cowed by fear, so broken to repression had the American people become." -- W. Karp

      by Mass Man on Wed Dec 21, 2005 at 09:23:44 AM PST

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    •  and it makes us look fickle (none)
      even frivolous when we hang our collective hats on whatever flavor of the month impeachment  theory that comes popping up with clockwork like regularity. the media is just selling you something so that they can boost ratings.

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