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  •  Not a matter of ideology (4.00)
    But party loyalty. I would never hire someone who worked on behalf of someone like Jeb! Bush.

    "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang separately." - Ben Franklin

    by RandyMI on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 11:48:31 AM PST

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    •  The business of campaigns (none)
      has nothing to do with party loyalty - it's all about winning. Yes it helps if the person you hire fully understands what your message is all about, in fact it is vital that they do - - but it can also help if that person has been in the other camp and knows what makes them tick too. In fact that insider knowledge can be very useful if cultivated properly.
      •   I wouldn't care (none)
        so much about who else an ad agency had worked for, as long as they were highly effective. But McMahon sucked.

        Make levees, not war.

        by Hopeful in AZ on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 12:09:54 PM PST

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        •  A Four (none)
          for recognizing that an ad agency is a business and need not have a party affiliation.

          as for McMahon sucking, you are right. But for that matter so did most everyone involved in his campaign. they were not top notch people for the simple fact that to Dean's own admission he never dreamed of getting as far as he did. So he hired who he could an when things took off he was too slow to adjust his entire staff and it cost both him and us Dean supporters.

          •  Political Consultants (none)
            tend to have a party affiliation.  Some are Dems, some Republicans.  Very few play both sides.

            Dick Morris played both sides and many people distrusted him for it.

            "Calmer than you are."

            by Sheffield on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 03:20:12 PM PST

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            •  and rightfully so (none)
              what kind of cheap game is it to "consult" both sides? It's not professional to sell your soul every two years to a candidate from the other party.

              This whole apparatus of professionalism in campaigns can get on my nerves.

              Most of the time I feel offended by all the ads they produce to "make a point". If it's my side, I feel as if I get dumbed down, if it's an ad from the other side, I get mad. What the heck is that good for? Costs so much money and is such trash. I get glitzy, professionally made letters from Hillary Clinton and I wonder why she thinks she has to spend her money (which is the money of people like you and me who donate it in the first place) on such letters. They don't make a difference at all.

              Emails don't make a difference as well, unless these are requests to sign petitions etc. If you get daily emails from Democrats, unless they have something specific to say or to announce or to request, I think the emails can be too much of a well meant thing.

              What really counts is who is the best talking head to make the most remarkable TV appearances to defend a candidate. Aside from that and a press that would and should immediately debunk the "swift-boaters" and slap them their shit back in their faces, only the candidate's own words and TV appearances really count.

              I admit that people who have no name recognition might be in need of consultants. But then, if they would just write a couple of pieces on dailykos and argue with the readers, that would be the best and the cheapest consultancy a candidate can get.

              At least he would get the whole smorgasbread of opinions and jokes thrown at him and he would be better prepared. I think kos is doing a good job to introduce candidates to the readership.

              I am always amazed about the torturous way candidates have to campaign here, especially the many "house visits" and "neighborhood parties" they have to go to. When you look at those and watch what people really get out of such meetings, it's mostly a nice tap on the back from the candidate telling him how great they are and how thankful he is followed by a photo with a signature. I just admire the candidate for the patience they have to go throught this hell. Well, of course, I am naive.

              The campaigns are so nineteenth and twentieth century. Wouldn't it make much more sense to arrange a lot of "wildly open minded" town meetings with video conferences, may be a town meeting with three or four cities participating from the South-West, South-East, North East, Mid-West and the West, going over three hours or so. Stress out the candidate and you know what you are getting.

              Why do we have to force these poor candidates through so many little neighborhood meetings? Isn't it cruel, expensive, repetitive, mostly not news-worthy and sometimes boring? Ok, it is kind of really nice, I know. But really, do you really need to shake hands with the candidate in persona?

          •  McMahon was Deans Ad (none)
            Since his 11 years as Governor,  McMahon always handled his ads.

            Stop Corporate Influence; buy DEMOCRACY BONDS!!!

            by timber on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 09:25:44 PM PST

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      •  So as a Democratic volunteer from Florida... (4.00)
        ...should I be happy to work with a campaign that employs Steve McMahon when he was actively working against my previous efforts by helping Jeb Bush?

        Politics isn't a business. Political consulting is a business. Working for Jeb Bush isn't like working for Olympia Snowe - he's a hardline right winger. If Steve McMahon is free to call himself a polling advisor or media advisor. But I see him on TV all the time labeled as Democrat. Democrat and Jeb Bush advisor? Fuck that.

        I declare Dick Cheney a moron, an idiot AND a nefarious bastard.

        by joejoejoe on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 12:22:21 PM PST

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        •  Should You Be Happy? (none)
          Only if that person can help your candidate and your efforts win.
        •  If political consulting is a business (none)
          it seems to me that it could be a pretty dirty business. I think it's disgusting to change candidates you consult for a salary or commission from one party to the other like other people would change their underwear. It feels unethical to me.

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