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  •  Sorry but this is likely wrong... (none)
    If they just played to the base they'd get about what Mondale got in 1984, or at best what Dukakis got in 1988 neither of which is enough to win on (and Herseht, in S.D. has even less of that pure line Dem base to work with).  Now, I hate Bill Clinton for a variety of reasons, but the fact is that he was right in that you have to appeal to the more rightward people who want to vote Democratic but won't for other reasons (like the "blue dog" factor workers in Michigan that helped Clinton get the state, and to a lesser extent helped elect Granholm govenor).  I realize that it helps us feel all right and virtuous inside ot vote far left, but it doesn't win elections.  And Nader did hurt Gore, it wasn't fatal, but combined with other factors (some of which Gore couldn't do anything about) it did cost him the election.

    "All Politics is Local" - former Speaker of the House Tip O'Neil

    by Mister Gloom on Thu Feb 26, 2004 at 02:42:29 AM PST

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    •  I don't assume (none)
      that the base is far left.  In fact, my own economic opinions are quite conservative.  I'm talking about having our own ideas, values, etc.  Remember the famous second Gore/Bush debate in which Big Al pretty much agreed with everything Bush said.  It's not about left/right it's about what's important to us versus what's important to them.  The Democratic base is not the hippy left, it's moderate middle-class folks who were against the war and who are fairly progressive on social values.  This party seems to react to the Republicans rather than address the needs of THIS base.  Look at the future, most young folks are in favor of gay marriage and what are the oldsters gonna do, side with the guy that wants to flush their Social Security checks?  The oldsters who support Bush have already made up their minds.  This issue is one that the Demos can't pass on.  Let's grab it, take the high road, and go.  Is any anti-gay marriage Democrat seriously going to to vote Bush over this issue?  No way.  

      No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

      by CrazyHorse on Thu Feb 26, 2004 at 03:07:14 AM PST

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      •  In part (none)
        But so are African Americans, Latinos, teachers, unions, etc.. The "blogosphere" types are only a small part of a large coalition. Winning national elections is about holding a coalition together. The Rs have to do it too - there is a whole lot of disparate interests on their side, too.

        Unlike in countries like Italy and Israel, where there a slew of interest-group parties that get seats and then form coalitions after the election, the process happens before the election in the US. And judging Italy and Israel's political scene, I'm not so sure I don't prefer the American system.

        Ben P

        Benjamin Disraeli + Robert LaFollette = Ben P

        by Ben P on Thu Feb 26, 2004 at 03:16:30 AM PST

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        •  Dead point (none)
          Do you really think this issue is SO offensive to these groups that it drives them to the Republican Party?  I can't see that, especially considering that we're talking minority groups here.  

          No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

          by CrazyHorse on Thu Feb 26, 2004 at 03:27:15 AM PST

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    •  Actually (3.75)
      I think you could probably argue that Bush is president because Clinton permanently damaged the Democratic Party.  Has very little to do with "the base" but everything to do with abandoning the notion of "opposition politics".

      You could argue that Clinton, in winning (and in the way he won), did more damage to the Democratic Party than Dukakis or McGovern ever did in losing.

      "Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself." -- Martin Vanbee

      by a gilas girl on Thu Feb 26, 2004 at 11:21:42 AM PST

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