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  •  Presidents Before Teddy Roosevelt (none)
    I don't think the presidents from Rutherford Hayes to William McKinley were corrupt. Arthur was as crooked as they come before he inherited the presidency but he rid himself of Roscoe Conkling and his other scumbag friends and had an honest presidency.  Arthur also supported and got the Congress to enact the Pendleton Act - one of the most important laws enacted in our history - creating the civil service and a bulkward against corruption below the highest levels of government. Otherwise, I'm not aware of any significant scandal involving the presidencies of Hayes, Garfield, Arthur, Cleveland, Harrison or McKinley.  

    However, this entire line of presidents could be described as mediocre - and as supporters of crushing labor unions and building sweat shop labor, willing to use words but no action to support black voting rights, and, in Cleveland's case, unwilling to use the power of government to combat what may have been a worst depression than the 1930's.

    That said - I think W. will be remembered as a corrupt I I I - Incompetent, Ignorant Ideologue - and worse than any of the mediocrities who served from 1877 to 1901.

    "Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars." William Jennings Bryan

    by Navy Vet Terp on Sun Dec 25, 2005 at 10:13:54 AM PST

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    •  Corrupt? (none)
      Re McKinley--

      He was a Repub who was up to his eyeballs with his wealthy supporters.  And "McKinley led the country into the Spanish-American War, bringing the former colonies of Spain in the Pacific (Guam and the Philippines) and the Caribbean Sea (Cuba and Puerto Rico) under American control. In addition, the territories of Hawaii and Wake Island were annexed during his first term. Despite some vocal domestic opposition, his administration ushered the U.S. into the "New Imperialism" of the era. (Wik,,)"

      He was a foreign adventurist.  Remember the Maine.

      •  I Didn't Say McKinley Was Good (none)
        But there's no evidence McKinley pocketed a penny.  I think he honestly believed that what was good for big business and the robber barons was good for the country - whether that meant suppressing workers or conquering countries - Just because I detest someone's governing philosophy doesn't make him corrupt.

        And Cleveland by contrast was anti-imperialist but he allowed J.P. Morgan to supply the Treasury with gold, to Morgan's profit, when the government was about to default on exchaning notes for gold.  But again, no evidence Cleveland personally profited.

        By contrast, I think history will show that Dick Cheney has made out very well with his war in Iraq.  If we can win Congress in 2006, we might get an investigation.  

        "Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars." William Jennings Bryan

        by Navy Vet Terp on Sun Dec 25, 2005 at 04:34:05 PM PST

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