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  •  I'm just bothered by reading diaries like this (none)
    where statements like:
    may have been subject...
    likely ended up in the possession of...
    Possible affected individuals include...

    are what the diary hinges on. Theere's a lot going on so I've got a lot of reading to do and I'd at least like to see someone in a position to know make a claim of fact, not all this "maybe" stuff.

    -6.88/-5.64 * 2005 AD, final score, Internet 1, Corporate America 0

    by John West on Wed Dec 28, 2005 at 03:50:21 AM PST

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    •  I think there are plenty of shocking facts (none)
      about this administration.  There are some people who are speculating about how those facts add up who actually know a little bit (or a lot) about how our government works and there are others who don't really know much about how the system works who sort of make up narratives that seem plausible in the context of their own lives.  I've no idea whether you are "sick" of my comments, but I do have experience working in government and grew up on Capitol Hill while my Dad spent his time investigating Nixon & Watergate, so I know a little bit about the origins of the FISA court and a little bit about the principles at stake.  

      The reality is that the facts that we have so far - the fact that the President and his cronies have been spying illegally on American citizens - that fact and others in the story are damning enough for them.  The question now is what kind of dammage have they been able to level against not only our democracy as a whole, but also against individuals and groups of Americans.  That question is critical.  If we don't figure the answers to that question out, we will not be able to right the wrongs.  People will claim "no harm no foul", but they will be proven wrong at some point.  The biggest problem is that it could take years or decades (depending on the outcomes of elections) to figure it out.

      •  I agree with much of what you are saying. (none)
        I'm hardly "sick" of your comments, they're good. And I speculate as much as anyone. I just see a flurry of speculation here that everyone is already making. Perhaps I need to take a break from diary reading for a while. I'm getting over saturated. Not your fault.

        -6.88/-5.64 * 2005 AD, final score, Internet 1, Corporate America 0

        by John West on Wed Dec 28, 2005 at 07:07:16 AM PST

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        •  I understand and I wouldn't really take it (none)
          personally if you had said mine were part of the problem because I relate to the feeling of overload with this stuff.  I get a little irritable when I see the more glib and sensationalistic "gottcha" stuff here because I can't get over the gravity of the situation and I think a lot of people even here don't really get how serious and dangerous this stuff is.  Sometimes it gets to feel like the challenges and crimes get abstracted to the point where it is all cartoonish which I don't think is very helpful.  

          I am grateful when I see diaries that are able to evenly and reasonably put the dangers into a context though.  dKos is getting so big that the flashier stuff is unfortunately getting more attention.  Lately, I've been thinking as I scan the diary titles on the recommended list that there must be a lot of New York Post fans at this site these days and then I find a real gem - often on the list that will sroll into oblivion and I'm glad I took the time to dig deeper.  


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