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  •  Militarism at its worst.... (4.00)
    Oh, I get it now. In the desire to win, Democrats want to become the militarist party. For progressive dems to embrace this strategy is sickening. And the jingoism celebrated here is just representative of how Kos has really lost it. Think, people, think. Don't jump on this latest bandwagon like a bunch of mindless lemmings. Sheesh.

    Being a vet is one experience among many of life's experience which may or may not prepare one to become a progressive leader. I, for one, will use my brain and determine whether that experience will further progressive causes or not. What did they do in the service that prepard them for that?

    More important to me is someone with the guts to speak up even when it's not popular, to solve the many problems that we face, and to craft a foreign policy that isn't based upon gunboat diplomacy.

    The race in Illinois is a prime example of this strategy run wild. Christine Cegelis, a wonderful progressive candidate who came close to beating Hyde, is now being challenged by someone who doesn't even live in-district. Her one trump card, she's a vet.

    •  It's not militarism (4.00)
      We're not embracing an agressive foreign policy here.

      We're just noting that veterans are coming back and running as Democrats.

      There's a difference between the people who have made the foreign policy for our nation and the people who ended up fighting for our nation.

      "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

      by RBH on Wed Dec 28, 2005 at 10:24:58 AM PST

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    •  If they're running on a platform of peace then (none)
      I'm all for fighting dems...people who fought when asked, but now see the problems with war, rather than the opportunities war provides...but if they're going to become another right wing, then that would be an issue for me...

      Then again, I'm a Green for a reason (though I'm still sympathetic to the Democratic party much of the time)...

      Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right

      by darthstar on Wed Dec 28, 2005 at 10:27:02 AM PST

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      •  If they know the horror of war (3.50)
        then they will work towards peace.  Farther down the thread, I wrote about  helping Terry Stulce run for Congress.  He told me he has seen enough of war to know violence is not a solution, most the time it is the problem.  
    •  This is not about being militant (none)
      The military is generally pro republican, probably 60-40 from what I've heard. Nevertheless, all the veterans running as democrats gives a boost to the opposition to Bush and the republicans.

      Also, let's be honest. In a lot of districts around the country, Charles Rangle could never be elected anything. Better to win with someone you disagree with occasionally than a Delay clone who will do everything in his power to destroy you.

      At least with the veterans, we have people who generally share our basic principles.

      Do Pavlov's dogs chase Schroedinger's cat?

      by corwin on Wed Dec 28, 2005 at 10:30:32 AM PST

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    •  Unfounded criticism (none)
      In the democrats desire to win, they are not becoming the militarist party. Just the opposite. If these 30 or more veteran candidates are in fact, militarists, would they have chosen to run as Democrats?
    •  militarist (none)
      So running vets makes the Dems a militarist party? Is there any wonder why the Dems have a bad rep when it comes to the military with people like you being a voice for it?

      The military is not evil. Get it through your skull if you want to win elections.

    •  Not quite so. (none)
      In a desire to represent America, Democrats want a Big Blue Tent that includes most Americans' appreciation for the existence (if not always the use) of a strong U.S. military.

      As well as most American's desire for peace in the world.

      It's not a special interest, if you're especially interested in it. :)

      by cskendrick on Wed Dec 28, 2005 at 01:33:59 PM PST

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