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  •  Speaking Constitutionally ... (none)
    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    Arguing that the military mindset is not part of our national culture is a futile task, imo. The Constitutional mandate is there in the preamble to the Constitution. It was left to Congress to figure out how to fulfill that mandate, whether through militia or standing army/navy.

    •  I don't see it that way at all (none)
      As you point out, "provide for the common defense" can be interpreted to mean provide for mustering of militias.  Perhaps you equate militia with militarism, but it applies better to a professional, standing army.  Also, while the Constitution may mandate providing for the common defence, that certainly does not necessarily mean that the founding fathers envisioned the military as part of the national identity - quite the opposite, I think.  They saw it as a necessary evil.

      Look at the Adams and Jefferson Presidencies and the bitter disputes between Adams and Hamilton over the standing army.  I think it's really not disputable that there was a strong anti-militarist sentiment in early American history, and that was a big part of the reason Jefferson and the Republican-Democrats won the election of 1800.  

      The practical significance of this historical digression is pretty close to nil, however, as I think we can all pretty much agree that no standing army at all, while perhaps an option in 1805, is not an option in 2005.

    •  Now you forgot what I said (none)
      Roosevelt, I'm all for a military for the purpose of national defense.  I'm talking about a military culture, where our lives become intertwined with military activities and rules.  It's already happening----we're searched before boarding airplanes, we are shunned if we don't "support our troops", much of our military responsibility has been handed over to private companies, meaning that there is a profit incentive to war, our national events have a military component.  Why do we have fighter jets at the Super Bowl?  How is that appropriate?  

      And I have to say this:  after reading some of the obscenities uttered by our troops, reading about their posting photos of horrible injuries on web sites, reading about the Animal House atmosphere in the Green Zone, and just plain wondering what in the hell they are doing over there, I'm not sure I support the troops.  I'm sick of supporting sadism and torture.  And don't tell me they're just doing their jobs.  They are not blameless.

      "Everything seemed possible to the powerful and the privileged, so cowed by fear, so broken to repression had the American people become." -- W. Karp

      by Mass Man on Wed Dec 28, 2005 at 02:39:22 PM PST

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