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  •  And What Did Dealing With the Uzbeks... (3.91)
    ...get us in the long run?  

    Bad information

    Association with a brutal regime that killed hundreds of its own citizens last Spring

    And they still evicted us from the country and realigned themselves with Putin's Russia.

    Apparently they're more comfortable aligned with states that don't work so hard at concealing their brutality.

    The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

    by Dana Houle on Thu Dec 29, 2005 at 10:41:48 AM PST

    •  What dealing with the Uzbeks got us (none)
      bunch of boiled people.

      "This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no foolin' around!"

      by demkat620 on Thu Dec 29, 2005 at 10:47:05 AM PST

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    •  It also got us (none)
      ....a lot of phony terror alerts.  Where do you bet all that bad information came from?  Someone being tortured will say whatever it is they think you want them to say in order to stop the torture.

      How many billions has this cost us in stepped up terror alerts?

      Pennacchio for Pennsylvania

      by PAprogressive on Thu Dec 29, 2005 at 11:34:00 AM PST

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    •  Russian realignment (none)
      For a guy like me who knows nothing about Central Asia, this year end report from Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty summarizing the year in Central Asia, was very useful.

      As long-ruling leaders fell against a backdrop of large-scale demonstrations in Georgia, Ukraine, and Kyrgyzstan in 2003-05, [Uzbek President] Karimov soured on close cooperation with the West, adopting the status-quo view among authoritarian post-Soviet elites that the "color" revolutions were merely foreign-sponsored regime changes. This simmering sentiment came to a head in the wake of Andijon, where Uzbek security forces used massive force on 13 May to disperse a demonstration that followed an armed uprising in the city. The West called for an independent international investigation of eyewitness accounts that security forces perpetrated a massacre; Karimov refused, blaming the violence on religious extremists as government-run media depicted the Andijon uprising as an externally supported stab at regime change.

      The fallout was stark. In late July, Uzbekistan gave the United States six months to vacate its air base in Karshi-Khanabad. Meanwhile, Uzbekistan drew closer to Russia and China, two countries that voiced unequivocal support for the official Uzbek version of events in Andijon. Karimov visited China in the immediate aftermath of Andijon, and Uzbekistan and China inked a $600 million oil joint venture. In September, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov visited Uzbekistan to observe the first-ever Russian-Uzbek joint military exercises. And in November, Karimov and Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a treaty providing for direct Russian military assistance in the event of "aggression" against Uzbekistan. Further bolstering Russian-Uzbek relations, Russia's Gazprom and LUKoil are planning to invest as much as $2 billion in Uzbekistan's energy sector, albeit over an extended period of time.

      It's like Ambassador Murray said, "we are selling our souls for dross."

      I'm here to represent the needle in the vein of the establishment.

      by mhojo on Thu Dec 29, 2005 at 12:59:09 PM PST

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      •  RFE/RL Does Good Stuff (none)
        Two other good sources on Central Asia are the reports from the Carnegie Endowment for Peace and those by the International Crisis Group.

        The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

        by Dana Houle on Thu Dec 29, 2005 at 03:11:24 PM PST

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      •  I don't trust the source because... (none)
        ...RFE/RL had been a US gov't sponsored propaganda tool which was established in the early days of the Cold War. Until 1971, RFE was funded by the CIA. Now, it's considered to be a "private" corporation chartered in Delaware (which they keep making a point of) and it's Broadcasting Board of Governors is chaired by none-other-than Kenneth Y. Tomlinson (yes the same Tomlinson formerly from the CPB).

        Any media organization funded by and staffed with Bush administration cronies really has no credibility to me. Yes, they do have a "journalistic code of ethics," but so does Fox, WaPo and the NYT.

      •  Prediction: (none)
        Very soon the Bush regime will discover that Uzbekistan is run by BAD GUYS and we must all DO SOMETHING about it.
    •  The Gas Connection? (none)
      Afghanistan and Caspian Sea oil pipeline routes
      Taleban in Texas for talks on gas pipeline (BBC 1997)

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