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  •  Abortion /= baby killing! (none)

    I said lose the child. Oh, it was more diplomatic than that. But I went years knowing in my heart that there was a dead baby out there because of me. Then I had my first child of my own, and about the second thought I had was that if I had not lost my best friend before, I most certainly had now, for I had given myself what I had taken from him.

    I must disagree wholeheartedly with your description of abortion.  The abortion procedure does not "lose a child," nor kill a baby.  It aborts the development of a fetus or embryo into a baby.  It sort of like saying that a forest fire burned down thousands of houses because the trees it burned could have one day been sawed down, milled into lumber, and used to build houses.  

    In the case you described, abortion was a good thing.  It meant that your friend could donate a kidney and save a life.  When the time was right, I'll bet she had another go at making a baby, if not then she certainly could have.  

    My main experience with abortion is that I knew several women in college who had had abortions in high school.  They would not have been able to attend college if they had chosen to become single mothers.  They did not feel bad at all about having abortions; as each of them saw it, they could have children later after finding a good husband and securing an economic status that would enable them to provide for their children.  Modern medicine empowered these women to control their own destinies rather than be at the mercy of a bad decision to fuck a bad guy at the wrong time.  

    So if it's children you're against killing, or babies, then I'm with you.  But if you equate abortion with killing babies, then that's just nuts, a few short steps away from saying that masturbation kills prefertilized babies.

    -7.38, -5.90 | "When...in the course of all these thousands of years has man ever acted in accordance with his own interests?" - Fyodor Dostoevsky

    by Subterranean on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 01:50:58 AM PST

    •  In a world with near-universal availability (none)
      of contraception, we would not be having this conversation at all, and I would not have to apologize for doing that 'choice' that is celebrated so uncritically by some.

      Sure, I could have just hung up the phone, let someone else make the call, and never faced the limits of my support for the right of choice.

      But I'm that person who actually had to choose...and it wasn't even my child.

      It was the 'best' of all possible abortion situations (one known life probably saved, one might-have-been life certainly ended) and it still sucked.

      I'm quite sure that I am not equating disapproval of abortion based on personal experience with a desire for its illegalization.

      Your freedom to do as you will with your body -- or that of other people if you are invited to the discussion -- remains.

      But part of my support for choice is that I choose never to say good-bye to lives that might be ever again.

      I mean, it is a choice, after all.

      You can't contain CSKendrick, you can only hope to stop him. :)

      by cskendrick on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 04:58:44 AM PST

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      •  Fair enough (none)
        Although I'm not sure I understand your point.  But as long as we're both in favor of choice, it's all good.

        -7.38, -5.90 | "When...in the course of all these thousands of years has man ever acted in accordance with his own interests?" - Fyodor Dostoevsky

        by Subterranean on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 08:56:09 PM PST

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