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  •  i tell ya what (4.00)
    i could read that man givin' shrubya what for 'til the cows come home.
    •  Historical context (4.00)
      It is very important that we keep pointing out the parallels of 30s Germany and Hitler's rise with contemporary America.

      Want to frame something? Try forcing them to defend Hitler.

      •  if we could just keep them (none)
        from wetting the bed every time it's mentioned...
        •  Right thing to do (4.00)
          I've been amazed at this 'bed-wetting' the last few years. Of course a lot of it is just the political spin of the other side, oblivious to their own guy's faults. But some of it sounds genuinely outraged that anyone would compare W to H.

          But if we just think about it a minute, what's so outrageous? A guy like Hitler came along in recent history. If it happened once, why not again?

          And instead of being something to neglect and ignore, it seems to me something worth pointing out. To me it's a lot more patriotic to do something about it ('nip it in the bud') than to wait till it's too late.

      •  Here are some good ones... (4.00)
        ...I've been meaning to plop out there, from the Nineteen Eighty-Four entry at wikipedia:

        "The broad mass of the nation ... will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one." - Adolf Hitler, in his 1925 book Mein Kampf

        "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels

        "Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering, before committing suicide at the Nuremberg Trials

        •  This should be written in the skies (none)
          and posted on billboards across the country-from the most populated metropolis to the most rural, BFE podunk "town."

          Unfortunately, the people who need to hear this the most would either not understand it or would take it as "liberal paranoia," ironically (but not unpredicably), falling right into the propagandists' hands.

          I recommend you read "Hitler's Willing Executioners" by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen.  It is a myth that the Germans were duped or that the concentration/extermination camps were not known about.  Sorry, folks, but that's where we're headed at this rate.

        •  Good job on the quote: (none)
          meanwhile at Gitmo prisoners are being tortured to death. New report:


          WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The number of Guantanamo Bay prisoners taking part in a hunger strike that began nearly five months ago has surged to 84 since Christmas Day, the U.S. military said on Thursday.

          Lawyers for some of the detainees call the strike a protest of jail conditions and prisoners' lack of legal rights. The military has denied allegations of torturing detainees.

          The detainees began the strike in early August after the military reneged on promises to bring the prison into compliance with the Geneva Conventions, their lawyers said. Detainees are willing to starve to death to demand humane treatment and a fair hearing on whether they must stay, the lawyers said.

          Amnesty International official Jumana Musa said this week's surge illustrates the strike's seriousness.

          "You are talking about a prison population of hundreds who have decided that with no conceivable change in their future that they just don't care to live anymore, or they are going to make a statement in dying," Musa said.

          In an October court filing, Julia Tarver, a lawyer for detainees, said U.S. personnel violently shoved tubes through the men's noses and into their stomachs without anesthesia or sedatives. "When they vomited up blood, the soldiers mocked and cursed at them, and taunted them with statements like 'look what your religion has brought you,"' Tarver wrote.

          Regardless of what your view is on the detention practices themselves I hope we can all agree that the systematic forced violation of the prisoners cultural norms (that are driving the prisoners to suicide) are clearly designed to systematically torment the prisoners and these practices are illegal under international law, the Geneva Conventions and must be considered cruel and unusual punishment under the US constitution.

          In addition, this is certainly not the way to win hearts and minds in the Muslim world or anywhere else for that matter nor is it the way to lift up human rights. For the good of the nation and our reputation this administration really must adhere to our laws and treaty obligations.

          "The priest has always been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own." Jefferson

          by RichardG on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 07:33:49 PM PST

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      •  BOTH historical contexts... (none)
        ...the context of the Patriots who are fighting the monarchy that is BushCo, and the Nazis of Germany that BushCo emulates.
    •  Great job. (4.00)
      I wrote about this last night.

      You have done an excellent job with this article by Paul C. Roberts.

      My congratulations.

      "same old fears, same old crimes-we haven't changed since ancient times.." "Iron Hand" Dire Straits

      by boilerman10 on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 05:55:17 AM PST

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    •  Joy in Mudville!!! (none)
      Thanks, Cedwyn, for making my day! This is one of the all-time best diaries I have ever read on Daily Kos.

      Bar none.

      A vote for any Republican is a vote endorsing a jihad against our country.

      by Maine Atticus on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 08:25:23 AM PST

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