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  •  I did ponder your question to America (none)
    then went on to read some more comments, but return now to say, I expect my phone calls to foreign destinations to be covered on my end by the American Constitution and the laws and judgements pertaining to such communication.  But, I cannot expect American standards to hold true for foreign governments.  I expect my mail, packages, emails, phone conversations to be subject to foreign review.
    The crux of this discussion isn't if foreign law violates American constitutional standards, it's if our American government lives up to our constitution.
    So, I wouldn't have a shit fit if France or India Or China reads my mail, I am having a shit fit cause Bush is reading my mail.

    I kinda like Howard Dean, it's those wild eye crazies that came with him I wonder about!

    by redlief on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 05:55:35 AM PST

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    •  I agree w/what you say. I postulate (none)
      this only as a way to get the average American that doesn't think that Bush did anything wrong to see it from another perspective.
      •  Even better. (none)
        What if we found out calls from New York to California were routed through, say, Quebec, and the Canadian government felt they had the right to monitor those conversations at will, with no legal restrictions.  Americans would have a shit-fit at that revelation, in my opinion.

        "When the intellectual history of this era is finally written, it will scarcely be believable." -- Noam Chomsky

        by scorponic on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 06:25:23 AM PST

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        •  Or, say, the UK, NZ, AU, etc.... (none)

          ...gleefully connecting dots since 1966 scratch

          by arbortender on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 07:25:38 AM PST

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        •  Well, sure, but ... (none)
          What if we found out calls from New York to California were routed through, say, Quebec, and the Canadian government felt they had the right to monitor those conversations at will, with no legal restrictions.  Americans would have a shit-fit at that revelation, in my opinion.

          Well, sure, but "that's different".  Which is an attitude sometimes referred to as "American Exceptionalism" -- the idea that there are some things that only the US (and sometimes certain US allies) should be allowed to do.  No doubt many Brits felt the same way during the days of the British Empire.  Hell, it probably dates back at least as far as the Roman Empire.

          One of the most elephant-in-the-living-room examples of this is weapons of mass destruction.  It was the major excuse the Bush League used to get the public behind the Iraq War.  But people in the US pretty much shrug off the fact that we've got the biggest stockpile of WMDs on the planet.  Evidently the assumption is that we can be trusted with them ... despite the fact that we're the only folks who've actually used nuclear weapons, and despite the fact that our leaders have made it clear that they're not reserved for retaliatory use.  The repeatedly stated US policy is, essentially, "we'll use them if and when we want to".

          Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.

          by Bearpaw on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 08:41:33 AM PST

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