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  •  farmers (4.00)
    acuity suggests:

    You just can't live on top of each other if you want to farm.

    But isn't that what is done in Europe?  My understanding is that in some European countries farmers live in small towns and travel outside the twon to their farmland.  That's different than here in the U.S., where farmers tend to live in isolation on their farms.  

    Isn't it more a traditional choice, rather than a requirement?

    Not to mention large, corporate farms, which rely on employees rather than family farmers.

    I don't know - anyone here engaged in farming in the U.S. and Europe have any thoughts on this?

    •  Somewhat true (none)
      Let's say that you live in Marshalltown, IA, and you want to get to go to a big mall.  How are you going to get to Des Moines or even Ames?  In a car.  Let's say you want to travel to Boston.  You are going to have to drive to Des Moines, then take a connecting flight on.

      Iowa also does crazy things like finance universities.  Let's say you work or study at one of these universities and want to go to Chicago or Kansas City.  How are you going to get there?

      The fact is that with our current infrastructure, those who live in sparce areas, need to drive.

      How would a farmer living in the "big city" get to his farm?  . . .

      •  Oh come on (4.00)
        That's not what I meant.  

        I didn't mean "no driving."

        I didn't mean "no daily driving."

        Of course a car would be used to get back and forth to the farm, to venture into the city, and so on.  What - you were implying that these guys walk or ride draft horses everywhere?

        Give me a break.

        What I was referring to, which was apparently poorly communicated, was that by living in a town and going to the farm, rather than living on the farm and going to the town, the number of automobile trips made by the farmer and his family to the bank, the store, the church, the grocery, the post office, to visit friends, and so on would be reduced.

        •  I saw that point (none)
          and probably should have tried to incorporate it.

          Instead I just kept on plugging on with my original point.  

          There obviously is some ratio between how much commuting would be done to the farm from the city versus how much is currently done from the farm to the city.  It might even be a positive result in most cases.

          My point was only to show how necessary that car travel is in the Midwest and to try and make an emotional appeal to people.  I wanted to show them that even good University Liberals might find themselves behind the wheel of a car.  And that car usage was a cause of conservatism.

          I didn't mean to attack your point.

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