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  •  well thank you (none)
    but...both of you are interpreting what I said in a totally different way than I intended

    if it bothers you...go ahead and troll rate it

    •  Not troll rating you (none)
      Trying to point it out to you so you can see the context and root of the joke being harmful, even if that was not your intent.

      I know (or at least strongly suspect) that wasn't your intent. This is why I am responding and explaining and not troll rating you. Not getting up in your grill about it, just pointing it out and giving you food for thought (I hope).

      cheers,

      Mitch Gore

      A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.

      by Lestatdelc on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 06:58:54 PM PST

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      •  I understand (none)
        and that's why I'm giving people the option to make something that annoys them disappear and go "poof"

        it only takes a couple zeroes....and my life will not collapse if I lose TU status for a day

        •  It isn't that I am annoyed (4.00)
          It's that you (and I am sure many others) don't see the root basis for the "joke" being harmful and part f the problem with homophobia. Not that you are homophobic or anything, just that those sorts of small little things do subtly add up in the cultural zeitgeist.

          Not attacking you, shaming you, getting pissed off, etc. As I said, food for thought (not just for you but the community in general).

          Now shut up and let's hoist a brew!

          ;-)

          cheers,

          Mitch Gore

          A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.

          by Lestatdelc on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 07:08:09 PM PST

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        •  I really appreciate your attitude (none)
          thank you.  Most of the time when you tell someone their remark might be offensive even if not intended that way, they get all defensive and obnoxious.  
          Thank you for trying to understand and be accepting of the other point of view.
          •  well..this is the problem with racism/bigotry (none)
            when we tell "Blonde" jokes...people don't get too upset because it's clearly "just a joke"...and one reason it's so easily recognized as a joke is that Blondes aren't subjected to a lot of bias

            but when you tell jokes about people who are treated badly...then there are a brazillion different ways people can take it

            •  True (4.00)
              But it is also more than that... the "bitch" joke was also about prison rape and stigmatizing (intent or not) the recipient in male/male sex as being lower than lowly female dogs. As Theresa's post further provided the context for.

              As I said, it is rooted in a  whole host of gender role assumptions, biases and phobias which are deeply ingrained in the culture and, I posit, the root of a vast amount of societies ills, from spousal abuse, most violent crimes, even war. Sexual repression/unhealthy aggression and "domination" based on gender/sexual  supremacy is deeply rooted in the human psyche even with biologically predisposition. It is the root of territoriality, greed, hoarding, which are the root cause of tribalism, conflict, etc.

              Attaching social stigma, even in though the "joke" was a passing relatively "harmless" one, does (I posit) add to that stigmatization and normalization of such stigmas.

              I certainly have no illusions that by simply eliminating such jokes or being the "PC language police" will solve the problems of ht human condition, but I do think those are discussions and things to digest and ponder.

              Anyway, I need to head out for now.

              cheers,

              Mitch Gore

              A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.

              by Lestatdelc on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 07:31:46 PM PST

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              •  not about rape (none)
                but I understand it could be interpreted that way

                but this is the difference between the English language and something more strictly defined like mathematics

                anyway...I'm still waiting for the pizza

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