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  •  the term bitch (3.25)
    it means female breeding dog.  It's a derogatory name to call a women, to equate her to a dog suitable for breeding.  
    When you call a gay man a bitch, you are using bitch in a derogatory manner.. "your so low, you are not even a woman, you are a worthless "bitch", the lowest of all females".
    •  words mean many things however (none)
      sure...people can interpret a word to mean awful things...

      anyway....this often seems to be a huge area of debate -- what's more important?...what someone meant...or how someone else interpreted something

      •  That is what the word means (none)
        it can mean nothing else.  Bitch... a bad female, even if you don;t realize where the term first came from or that it's purpose it to dehumanize women.

        I understand that this is not what you meant to say.  But never the less, the way you used the term bitch was to say that someone who "takes it", who is "weaker" or vitimized", the "passive partner" (all images suggesting of feminization)is insulting both to gay men and women.

        •  that's not how language works (none)
          words have many meanings and interpretations...that's why we have words like "connotation" and "denotation" etc etc

          there are very few situations where you can say "it can mean nothing else"

          this is your interpretation:

          "But never the less, the way you used the term bitch was to say that someone who "takes it", who is "weaker" or vitimized", the "passive partner" (all images suggesting of feminization)is insulting both to gay men and women."

          that's not the only way to interpret what I said

          remember...inference and implication are very different things

          anyway..thanks for letting me know how you feel

        •  Teresa, we're now all joining (none)
          somewhere below this post to have some pizza and beer.

          Come join us!

          Perhaps some mighty victory is growing in you now. - Mike Finley

          by hrh on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 10:45:41 PM PST

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        •  Alright I've had enough of this (none)
          Bitch! Bitch! Bitch! ... Bitch!

          American Engineer :== loser!

          by jnmorgan on Thu Jan 05, 2006 at 08:48:59 AM PST

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    •  so when I say to my male lover (none)
      "so now I'm your bitch" referring to something that happened during the day, and we both giggle, we are engaging in misogynistic and gay-bashing language? I actually do appreciate the intent to not demean people, but it's part of human nature to use "offensive" language to make a point. To be sure, using it on a blog brings on risks cuz you can't communicate the intimacy and tenderness I can with my guy when we're next to each other. But I still don't take the offense you and others seem to by the simple use of the language.

      I guess this post is in defense of language as a creative medium. Offensive language is an integral part of the arsenal. Don't take it away, please!

      (and for the record, when a frat boy tries to play this game, he always loses)

      All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

      by SeanF on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 09:09:13 PM PST

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      •  also (none)
        meanings evolve over time.  Take the word "queer"...which is really no longer offensive, as it is now used almost exclusively by gays.  In fact, a self identified "queer" is really a very proud-to-be-gay-if-you-don't-like-it-gofuckyourself guy.

        A lot of gay men call each other 'bitch'...the word...whatever its original meaning...no longer means what it once did.  To accuse someone of being homophobic by tracing back the history of a word is, I think, a stretch, at least in this particular instance.

        explain how letting gays marry will directly affect your own heterosexual relationship?

        by bluestatesam on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 11:05:29 PM PST

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      •  You are engaging in sexist language (none)
        bitch is a sexist term even when you are using it.
      •  let's put it this way (none)
        I have heard of the word Faggot said to someone right before they got their teeth kicked in.  Maybe we can find a funny way to use the word faggot in jokes and pretend it means something besides an insulting and demeaning way to refer to gay men.
        You may use it in conversation with other gay men.  But I doubt you find it funny when straight men call each other faggot as an insult.
        Like I said to someone else...when men call a women a bitch during an argument or during rape... we women know exactly what the word means.
        •  i call my friends fag (none)
          sometimes. The thing is, the language is there whether you are about to get your teeth bashed in or whether you are about to get a hug. That says to me the language is not causing violence. Sick unhealthy people cause violence.

          Most importantly, I fucking hate taboos - things you can't do or words you can't utter. It gives things power that they should never have. It's the equivolant of when Christians say 'you can't question that--that's holy.' And that's what you are doing.

          All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

          by SeanF on Thu Jan 05, 2006 at 09:11:39 AM PST

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