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  •  This diary needs a poll (4.00)
    What percentage of the clergymen who denounce homosexuality are themselves homosexual?






    "Nothing will impede our march toward victory! Long live the Empire!" -- Cmdr. Jonathan Archer, "In a Mirror, Darkly"

    by Thomas Kalinowski on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 09:19:21 PM PST

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    •  112% (none)

      Paging Doctor Dean.

      by ABBinMI on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 10:45:28 PM PST

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      •  This is a serious reply: (4.00)
        Back in the 1970s, a friend of mine (male) was dating a Catholic priest. Once at lunch we got on the topic of "how many priests are gay?" and Father Rick said "80%". I thought he was kidding but he went on at length about the numbers and also about the things that go on in seminary and on retreats. But he wasn't joking around. He eventually left the priesthood.

        A few years later, another friend of mine - something of an opportunist - befriended his very wealthy, much older parish priest. A bunch of us were invited to the priest's summer cottage in P'town one afternoon. The topic again came up and the priest gave the same answer: "80%".

        About 10 years ago, two young friends of mine were taken up by a very jolly, middle-aged priest in Hartford. He had a place at the shore  and invited a bunch of us for a cookout. While he was tending the grille I casually asked" "Father Joe, how many gay priests are there?" and he said "About 80% of the priesthood is gay."  

        •  One of my best friends (4.00)
          from high school became a priest and died from AIDS several years ago- all while condeming me for getting a divorce- hypocrisy at its finest


          "Time is for careful people, not passionate ones"

          by roseeriter on Thu Jan 05, 2006 at 06:54:46 AM PST

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        •  Wow. Consistent polling! (none)
          And a fascinating anecdote.

          I guess the poll suggested above needs a new option!

        •  Seems to me (none)
          Pope Benedict is going to have a hell of a personnel problem in light of his stupid edict.
          •  Yes... (none)
            ...the Pope is going to really have a hard time tending the flock if all the gays priests are kicked out. Of course, the vast majority of priests are "non-sexual" to the communities they minister to. But if the church wants to keep things afloat, they may have to accept heterosexuallly married priests, or - heaven forbid - women! But then the women might be gay, too.  
        •  In Moscow, (none)
          We made friends with an Episcopal priest who was teaching at the ESL school with us. After we ran into him at a members-only gay bar (we talked our way in, using the very powerful Russian phrase, "we're guests of the city!") he let us into his private life a bit more. We learned that though he knew he was gay, he thought being gay was "wrong". Such a sad life.

          One year after we left Moscow, he was murdered in his apartment. He turned out to be one of the first in a string of murders of gay foreigners.

          RIP, Steve. He was a good man. What a waste.

          "Merry Christmas in your $*&# face, $*(&ers!" - Bill O'Reilly

          by dji on Thu Jan 05, 2006 at 09:29:14 AM PST

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    •  bisexuality may be the issue (none)
      After being puszzled for a number of years about conservative opponents of gay rights, I've concluded that many such people must be bisexual, rather than homosexual.  Why fret so much about gay rights converting someone to a "homosexual lifestye"?  All the gay rights in the world aren't going to convert me to homosexuality, just as allthe hetero rights inthe world don't convert gay to heterosexuality.  But someone who feels both attractions but is deeply ashamed/fearful of the gay part might very well speak as some of these guys do.  
      •  I have never understood... (none)
        ...the concept of "recruiting". A person would have to have at least a slight leaning towards their own sex if they were to experiment with  same-sex activity.

        I personally think most people who say they are bisexual are mainly homosexual but like to use bi as a cover. No harm in that, really. I find women very attractive and lovely but my emotional gears only function with men.

        But the notion that a gay man could convert a truly straight man to homosexuality is absurd.

        It is interesting that in surveys, gay men tend to say they are "born gay" and lesbians often say they "choose to be gay". However, the lesbians must have at least some attraction to other women to begin with. I think the choice is not one of orientation but of acting upon it. It is difficult to imagine a truly heterosexual woman waking up one morning and saying "I think I'll find a woman to have sex with today". Also, this may be simplistic, but I think the boundaries between emotional and physical attraction might be more blurred among women so that a woman might have a powerful emotional bond with a woman friend but not consider herself a lesbian.

        All of which boils done to the question I often think about: is sexual orientation an emotional or physical matter?

      •  Don't lay this fuckers psychosis on us bisexuals (none)


        Mitch Gore

        A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.

        by Lestatdelc on Thu Jan 05, 2006 at 11:46:03 AM PST

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        •  Okay (none)
          Just on straight homosexuals then.
          •  Why not... (none)
            ...on a sexually repressive and homophobic culture which is what creates not just "the closet" but these sexually repressed folks who end up finding harmful outlets for their sexuality by clandestinely trolling for hookers?


            Mitch Gore

            A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.

            by Lestatdelc on Thu Jan 05, 2006 at 05:27:28 PM PST

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            •  Yes (none)
              When I brought up bisexuality in the first place, I didn't do so to suggest that bisexuality itself is the cause of the problem, but rather that the repression and fear society's intolerance produces in some may manifest itself differently in those who are bisexual than in those who are homosexual.  That is, I'm not sure the genteleman under arrest is a closet/repressed/in denial homosexual as much as he may be a closet/repressed/in denail bisexual.  Either way its the closet/repression/denial that's unhealthy, brought on by the unhealthy social attitudes we agree on..

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