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  •  But Bush apologists won't answer anyway (none)
    they think it's perfectly all right for him to spy.
    •  As long as they're spying on somebody else n/t (none)

      Essential funk: 'Impeach the President' by the Honeydrippers

      by pontechango on Thu Jan 05, 2006 at 10:08:03 AM PST

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      •  here's my thing (none)
        wouldn't revealing the illegal spying LESSEN the activities of Terrorists?


        well, first of all, if i'm a terrorist (which by Bush's rules I guess I am), i have to assume i'll be watched & will code my messages.

        didn't the 9/11 guys get their info coded?

        NOW with the revelations, wouldn't that reduce most of the nutcases that just shoot off their mouths & are only talking shit b/c they may get worried about be watched?

        & by shutting down these wannabe's, it would reduce the "terrorist-like noise" & allow the agencies to focus on true terrorists who will hide their communications more?

        i know it's all crap anyway when they start investigating a small group of protestors b/c they  don't want military recruiting at schools, but just saying...

    •  Anybody heard about a whistleblower and NSA .. (none)
      This morning while I was driving to work, I heard on the CBS radio news that a whistleblower has come forward and talk openly about the NSA and the domestic spying.

      In fact, the news reader also mentioned the name of the person who has come forward. Did anybody hear this? And who is this person? Did anybody mention this in dKos or diary it?

      I searched at, but could not find anything.

      •  Russ Tice (none)
        rawstory links to a Wash. Times story here

        Are we still routinely torturing helpless prisoners, and if so, does it feel right that we as American citizens are not outraged by the practice? -Al Gore

        by soyinkafan on Thu Jan 05, 2006 at 10:45:26 AM PST

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      •  link (none)
        it's from a story in The Washington Times

        A former National Security Agency official wants to tell Congress about electronic intelligence programs that he asserts were carried out illegally by the NSA and the Defense Intelligence Agency.
            Russ Tice, a whistleblower who was dismissed from the NSA last year, stated in letters to the House and Senate intelligence committees that he is prepared to testify about highly classified Special Access Programs, or SAPs, that were improperly carried out by both the NSA and the DIA.
            "I intend to report to Congress probable unlawful and unconstitutional acts conducted while I was an intelligence officer with the National Security Agency and with the Defense Intelligence Agency," Mr. Tice stated in the Dec. 16 letters, copies of which were obtained by The Washington Times.
    •  the reason is simple (none)
      as I suggested when this surfaced, in a diary HERE. These are not traditional wiretaps; they are mass fishing expeditions, using computers, looking for certain words or patterns. Data mining, if you will. They are tapping thousands of calls, probably many or most without cause, as many calls and emails as they can if not all, and listening/looking for their hotwords. You can't get warrants for tapping thousands of calls a day without individual cause for any of them.

      I don't deny that they probably have some political opponents in there, and that may contribute to the issues.

      Treason's Greetings from Karl Rove and Scooter Libby: Merry Fitzmas and Happy New Smear

      by seesdifferent on Thu Jan 05, 2006 at 11:49:56 AM PST

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      •  The NYT reporter who wrote the book (none)
        that caused NYT to finally release the story I believe said that they tapped and listened to 500 a day over 3 to 4 years. If thats correct thats about 500,000 to 700,000 taps. Holy Christ.

        "Patriotism is loving your country always and your government when it deserves it"-Mark Twain

        by fool me once umm on Thu Jan 05, 2006 at 12:22:57 PM PST

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