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  •  Why it is a concern (4.00)
    to see if patterns develop that could indicate terrorist activities

    This is a concern because there have not been enough terrorist incidents (pray that there never will be) to establish what a pattern of terrorist activities are.  Their pattern matching has to be on theories about what terrorist might do.  Action on those theories has already shown to have swept up innocent people who merely fit a pattern.

    The danger is that such "matches" could produce police action that detains, renders, tortures, or kills people without due process and without a check on whether there is reasonable cause to believe that they are terrorists.

    •  Comparison (4.00)
      The Republicans have a pattern of Secretaries of State in the states trying to exclude voter participation through all sorts of shenanigans.  The Republicans have a pattern of messing around with voting machines and vote tabulation.  The Republicans have a pattern of running campaigns to have tight elections in which vote fraud might be hidden.

      Voting is key to our safety and liberty.

      Therefore, the President, governors of Georgia, Florida and Ohio, secretaries of state of Georgia, Florida and Ohio, all county Boards of Election members in Georgia, Florida and Ohio, and all CEOs of electronic voting machines should be detained, rendered, tortured, or killed without due process and without a check on whether there is a reasonable cause to believe that they stole elections.

      Most ordinary people think there is probable cause to at least investigate the 2000 and 2004 elections.

      No doubt any such dragnet as I described above of officials involved in a Presidential election would produce innocent people.  Because they were involved in a suspicious "pattern", even if the particulars do not rise to probable cause.

    •  Ok, you are speaking of patterns (none)
      and much of dating mining involves following those, to see if the bad guys can be flushed out.

      So , using that same mentality, what if the patterns indicate that Bush and Cheny and the rest of the Nazis were involved in 911?

      Adn you're right -- it is following the patterns.

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