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  •  Kool aid (4.00)
    Tell him you are sorry he is brainwashed? Tell him he needs to get with it and read the news? The older generation is falling behind on the truth because they don't keep up, they just cling to their old parties and support them in ignorance?

    Maybe he was raised in the olden days and influenced to be a bigot, to be against blacks, women's advancement, etc. Let him know that you know that the right wing is the bigoted, hate-filled party and that times have changed. All people are loved and valued and he is a dinosaur on his way out!

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    by OLinda on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 02:14:29 PM PST

    •  Doubtless your comments are... (none)
      well intentioned, but I've got to say I find such age based stereotyping to be as offensive as any other form of bigotry.
      •  do see your point (none)
        But, I sure see it in my day to day life. Of course I wouldn't stereotype exactly, but I assumed the poster's father was "older" and he fit in with what I've been experiencing from older people I know.

        Times they are a changing... still and again.

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        by OLinda on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 03:51:59 PM PST

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        •  another thought (none)
          And, I give a lot of credit and admiration for the younger generation coming up. They as a rule are much less prejudiced, less closed-minded, and they  understand we are all in this together, as opposed to most (many) of their fathers.

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          by OLinda on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 03:54:53 PM PST

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          •  Some are, some are not (none)
            The characterizing of a generation as being "this, that or the other" is something that has been going on for at least as long there has been written history, and, I suspect, as long as there have been human beings capable of speech.
            I think the whole construct is not only tiresome but bogus as well. Older conservatives looking at youth as being the source of all societies ills and older Liberals looking on them as its best hope. (I confess I'm solidly with you in the latter 'camp', as to my way of thinking the only alternative would be to despair. )
            Then you have among youth, the progressives who believe anyone above a certain age to be hopelessly benighted, and the less common but just as full of themselves the Conservatives, who (essentially acting as traitors to their 'Class') see only "received wisdom" as being of any value.
            The more things change... etc. etc.
        •  How is it not stereotyping? (none)
          Substitute, Gay or Chinese or Black etc. for old and/or older in what you've written, and see how it looks.
          As an example: "The Blacks are falling behind on the truth because they don't..." or "...but I assumed the poster's father was Chinese and he fit in with what I've been experiencing from Chinese people I know."
          •  no (none)
            But blacks aren't falling behind. :). Many - maybe most older people do not keep up. They know what they learned in their youth and they are sticking to it.

            I don't judge a person by how old they are until they start talking. :). In my experience, and I don't talk to THAT many older people every day, but generally when I do, I find bigotry and strange values.

            2 recent examples:  

            One brings up Clinton no matter what. He also will not serve anyone Asian who walks into the office where he works. (He walks away and others take care of it.)

            Another, who makes more each month from Exxon-Mobil dividends than I do all year used the N word about 5 times in a recent 5 minute conversation. Back during the campaign, he had seen a few minutes of the DNC on tv and called me to say "Is everyone in your party black?"

            I fundraise for the ACLU and I can generalize that younger people will donate to the ACLU much more often than older people will. It seems when I talk to someone older, they learned about the ACLU in the 60s and can't learn, can't change, won't think.

            Sure, these are my limited experiences, but they are my experiences.

            Okay, I'm an ageist.

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            by OLinda on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 04:44:18 PM PST

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