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  •  newsflash: it is not a political party's job (none)
    to save a government.  it is the people's.

    while there is still room for a filibuster here, i have to remind people that the priveledge of appointment was decided long ago.  back when everyone was bitching about kerry's muddled position on the war.... which is precisely NOT to say it wasn't muddled (it was), it's to draw attention to a set of priorities.

    unfortunately, since my stay at dkos i have seen so many "dems better do this now or it's the end of the world and they're spineless and i give up" diaries for this one to be very affective.

    at this point.

    although this one was more eloquent, that's for sure.  v. well written.

    bounce in my step all day from dean's spot on late edition.

    thanks for bringing me back down to earth, georgia.

    i repeat.  it's not a political party's job to save this government.  it's the people's.  people have the power.  people ALSO have the responsibility for how they use that power.

    •  More angels on pins, BCat (none)
      I'm not going to try deconstructing your entire post, but to merely ask you a simple question (since you posited that the people, and not parties are responsible for the government):

      What is the purpose of a political party?

      Show me that it isn't to represent a sub-set of the peoples' interest in government and I'll concede right away. But please, since you think this is a meaningful difference (whereas I believe it to be, as with many of your posts, a distinction without a difference), demonstrate how a political party exists expressly not to be responsible for government.

      -8.38, -4.97 "...there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." Hamlet, Act II, Scene ii.

      by thingamabob on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 08:11:00 PM PST

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      •  it doesn't exist not to be (none)
        but the voters don't exist not to be either.
        •  thanks (none)
          Your point would better have been to question whether Dems (or any party, really) was giving voters what they wanted, or merely reacting to a set of assumptions about what they want generated by a system which no longer responds to actual voters.

          That I would agree with, but I would also suggest that it is precisely georgia10's point--that those Democrats who are still busy "triangulating" are no longer responsive to the voters they supposedly represent.

          Of course, the logical follow-up is (if you believe party politics dead), then what is to be done? Are you advocating a vigil, a sit-in or a revolution?

          -8.38, -4.97 "...there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." Hamlet, Act II, Scene ii.

          by thingamabob on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 08:51:48 PM PST

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          •  if you believe politics is dead (none)
            that's what i'm advocating.

            but if you believe politics is dead then georgia's well-written diary is a waste of time.  a set of completely unrealistic expectations is nurtured creating profound and cyclical dissappointment.

            better to just skip to the vigil/revolution, etc.

            btw, i don't think politics is dead.

            do you?

            right now??

            is politics dead if dems don't filibuster??

            •  maybe it's not either/or? (none)
              maybe what politics needs is a massive social movement?

              maybe it's not an issue of choosing between political and movement actions?

              maybe BOTH are needed?

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