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  •  Why Is This Man Not My President? (4.00)
    He's exactly what a statesman should be, without a trace of flim-flam.  And he's what the Democrats should be; the voice of honesty and moral clarity.

    Listen to Dean, Dems, and stop stabbing him in the back.  To put it childishly, he's rubber you're glue and whatever you say about him sticks to you.  And it makes you look weak.

    •  Cause he is not always this 'on topic' (none)
    •  One word..."YEEEAAGH!" (none)
      That, I think, is basically what killed him in the PR department and killed his run for the presidency. That one moment of getting a little too excited, and the media RAN with it.
      •  Well, he had already lost Iowa by then (none)
        But yes, like or not, people tend to like calm and collected Presidents (Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush) more than "yeahaw!" presidents.  Or at least they have since Teddy Roosevelt for the most part.
        •  Agree for the most part (none)
          but I gotta say that when I think of Bush acting like a deranged lunatic at the debate ("Tell Silvio Berlusconni we're goin it alone!") as Charlie Gibson looked afraid that Bush was gonna jump his moderator table like a dope fiend in need of his next fix...

          I think calm, collected, and reasonable.

          I'm just sayin lol.

          George W. Bush, Resign NOW.

          by tlh lib on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 09:33:29 PM PST

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          •  Well (none)
            bush had the advantage of being the incumbent as well.

            Thats one reason why I, personally, dont think many people cared about the TANG thing in 2004....he already had 4 years as commander-in-chief under his belt, so what does experience (or lack thereof) in the 70s matter? or at least thats how I think many people saw it.

            •  Yeah I agree with you (none)
              Like I said, I agree with your assessment in terms of why the public gave a shit about the (obviously overblown and mischaracterized) scream from Dean in the overall picture.

              The only thing I think my example above shows is how clueless most people are as to the real nature of Bush.   He has definitely succeeded in making most Americans (at least as of last year) think he is a down home guy that would get along with anyone.  But he hasn't been alone in perpetuating that bullshit persona that the cult of personality has latched onto like chickens smling at the fox in the henhouse.

              Perception is the key, as you allude to, and I think the unreal way in which the media has given him a complete and total pass for 5 straight years (or 4 when it mattered) allowed that misperception to be confirmed even further in the eyes of the clueless.  It  pretty much allowed (and more times than not even today allows) them to continue their pipedream about a regular old down home country boy taking care of the country because he cares about each and every one of them individually.

              It is idiocy and ignorance at its finest but it's also propaganda being effective at its finest...propaganda not merely bought and paid for by our govt but propaganda passed onto the public as actual news by our supposed watchdogs, the nation's news journalists.  I watch a Bush speech and see mannerisms and ways of speaking that just make me realize it's an act....a seemingly obvious act to me and most of us here.... and he is on the edge of becoming unhinged (and possibly because of medical or chemical reasons....who knows but the changes over the years have been unreal as have been noted but ignored by most of the population).  

              But as much as it can be attributed to  idiocy and ignorance on the part of many....the fact that such unbelievable ignorance has been allowed to continue, even as far as the perception that you say is most important, is imo a direct result of the fact that our media hasn't touched him and has allowed him to be portrayed as doing a great job as a solid defender of our nation (even when the facts say otherwise on down the line).  

              Hell, if  I'd  loved him when he was first "elected" (god forbid I ever become that ignorant) and all I watched was the evening news....I'd think everyone opposing him were nuts too.    Why in the hell is anyone harping on this man who is being a great protector of us and rising not from the liberal elite,  who do nothing but hate Bush from their northeastern and hollywood centers out of touch with America,  but from the small town sensibility of a local rancher in Texas who is our pResident because he understands the hearts of the common man.   If I were a common man Bush supporter in January 2001 and all I watched and read was the minimal traditional media?   I can see why people continue to be brainwashed.

              Our media are as complicit as anyone in the administration.

              Ignorance is bliss, so they say.   Damn that's too much thinking there.    Soma anyone?  Round of Soma on the house Bush Admin & The Media for everyone!    The next generation's lifetime of shocking reality and the after effects of the ignorance of half of this nation.....all without Soma to provide that bliss is gonna be on us unless we stop them.   Bliss only lasts so long when it's based on fear of the unknown and a collective mindset of buy buy buy.    

              Soma aint gonna work for too much longer even for those who unsubconsiciously think that it will.   If it does, we're gonna be more fucked than I think we may have ever been.

              George W. Bush, Resign NOW.

              by tlh lib on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 11:44:34 PM PST

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            •  and yes (none)
              (before anyone takes me to the woodshed) I know I'm taking a lot of freedom with my use of Soma to describe the koolaid drinking ignorant segment of our nation who couldnt' give a shit about reality other than to think things are going splendidly because Andrea Mitchell, Pete Williams, and Wolf Blitzer told them so via their daily talking points....but keep it symbolically and will be alright in the useage.

              I think the comparison is quite valid.....turning the mind from worries of reality to the bliss of unreal artificial bullshit while being used and controlled from birth to the grave by a corporately controlled political media machine that feeds the masses their opiate, Soma, to keep them from realizing how our nation is walking a tight rope with democracy on one side and fascism on the other (and anyone who wants to take issue with the fascism cite....be my guest).....our nation's love of laziness in the mind (willfully or not) is quite on the same par as Huxley's Soma in Brave New World....to say the least.

              1984 is another beast altogether.   There was a diary here a few months back arguing that 1984 is not the right narrative to compare our society to but that BNW was right on point.   I think our society is a combination of several points of both.   When taken together as one, we are in a very precarious position that gets nailed to the wall by those two works.

              George W. Bush, Resign NOW.

              by tlh lib on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 12:02:21 AM PST

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      •  Come on. Surely you know (none)
        that he didn't even get "too excited" -- he was shouting over a noisy crowd whose noise level was, unfortunately, not picked up by directional microphones. Nobody who was in the room at the time thought there was anything even slightly unusual about that speech.

        He didn't trip. He didn't sabotage himself. His chance at the nomination was killed by the networks, on purpose, with malice aforethought. I won't speculate as to motive.

        Folly is fractal: the closer you look at it, the more of it there is. - TNH

        by Canadian Reader on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 09:42:42 PM PST

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      •  Three words (none)
        Isn't "Bring it on!" not only worse but more representative of cowboy ideology than "Yeeeaagh!"?

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