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  • play devil's advocate.. (none)
    What's the difference between hiring a lobyist who gives some crooked politician money and giving some crooken politican money yourself?

    I get that the tribes were the ones that gave money, from their own coffers, in these cases (I'll refrain from saying 'every', because I personally haven't checked 'every' case, but at this point, it's a safe bet).  

    Looking at the data from the above link, it does a poor job of seperating "Abramoff Gave Money To These People" and "Tribes Gave Money To These People", to the point that it is all basicly labeled as "Abramoff" money.  Or am I reading it wrong?  I'm curious because I know what really happened, but this sort of makes it seem shifty.

    •  Then again (none)
      I can't automatically assume that money was given for crooked reasons.

      As well, I can't say if the tribe really knew much about the tactics used by Abramoff to influence people.

      But then again, in this case, it wasn't about the lobbying, or getting things done for the tribes, it was about money. Jack Abramoff wanted money for himself, not a higher standard of living for Native Americans.

      It'll be the influence-buying that gets more people in trouble than just the money.

      As well, these phony charities will also get some people in a lot of trouble.

      But when it comes to the information on the donations, it's very blurry. It's blurry enough so the Republicans benefit.

      They're the ones who will have to use a fog machine to obscure their tentacles in this mess.

      "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

      by RBH on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 10:14:41 PM PST

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    •  Just because... (none) give money to a politician doesn't mean that the politician is crooked. People support politicians who push for the things they want, and that support often includes money. The money that the Indian tribes gave to Democrats were entirely standard political donations - they're completely legal.

      The only money that carries the taint of corruption is the money handled directly by Abramoff - and ALL of that money went to Republicans.

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