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  •  ha! (none)
    there are no men or women here at all who agree with krazy kate.  this is obvious.

    there is one asshole here who has an issue with the behavior of people.  i have looked at the quote:

    While she does indeed have good intentions, her personality and self-righteousness is just too off-putting to be effective.

    This is the nasty, pious, know-it-all curmudgeon whom the right geniously built up as a straw boogeyman for the last 25 years.

    and while it addresses a specific person who happens to be a woman it is very obvious that the curmudgeon in question could be a man or a woman.

    and there is a person here who has an issue with men.

    one of our visiting angry white guys

    not in an absolute sense.  not all men.  but in a general sense.

    it's not one of our visiting angry white people.  the issue is with men.

    btw, it's also clear to me that the former person is an asshole and the later is not, but who they are addressing -- 1) people he doesn't like and 2) men she doesn't like -- is equally clear.

    •  bullshit dear one (none)
      I have a specific problem with the angry white guy backlash.  You on the other hand have a personal grudge against me, cause I think you spamming of Dean threads and Dean supporters signals a conflict you need to get over.

      In fact this Calish person often shows up on threads, many of them, with no other comment than a personal slam on me.  I assume he knows me from another board or just objects to my dismissal of the sexist and ugly angry white guy backlash. It's a specific group of people.  
      Really BC you aren't even as bright as I thought you were.  
      Your remarks are sexist and just plain stupid.

    •  Well, (none)
      there are no men or women here at all who agree with krazy kate.  this is obvious.

       perhaps it's obvious to you but it strikes me that this sort of stereotyping:

      This is the nasty, pious, know-it-all curmudgeon whom the right geniously built up as a straw boogeyman for the last 25 years.

      is the precise same stereotyping and denigrating characterization which has produced a career and, now, book, for Ms. O'Bierne and any number of other right-wing horrors.

      It's not true of Teresa, however much you wish to marginalize her by attributing to her prejudices which I've seen no evidence of such as:

      and there is a person here who has an issue with men.

      Lots of us have 'issues' with the Rush Limbaugh types, whatever their gender.

      it's not one of our visiting angry white people.  the issue is with men.

      The issue is with certain types of men, certainly not all or even most men.

      "...the definition of a gaffe in Washington is somebody who tells the truth but shouldn't have." Howard Dean

      by colleen on Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 09:32:36 AM PST

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      •  but again (none)
        that statement isn't addressing women specifically.  but a person or kind of person regardless of sex..
        •  Yes and I responded with "so what", (none)
          that statement isn't addressing women specifically.

           a question you failed to answer. Neither was Theresa's statement addressing men as a group. Have I ever, even once, in the years I've been posting here supported anyone foolish enough to make a blanket statement about one gender or the other? I don't believe so. Indeed I've maintained that one cannot do so, that it's always bullshit to make generalized statements about gender proclivities and try to codify gender roles into law.

          When she's talking about 'angry white men' she's talking about a very specific political movement in the nation, likewise when O'Bierne or Californish is disparaging and stereotyping 'feminists' they are doing the same. Lot's of people here, not all of them male, tend to support the O'Bierne camp or, at the very least, buy into that set of stereotypes. I see no reason for Theresa to be branded as someone who has 'issues' with men (presumably all men) when she objects to this treatment. Indeed, I see no reason for Theresa to be attacked on such a personal level in this manner of a nominally Democratic blog.  

          "...the definition of a gaffe in Washington is somebody who tells the truth but shouldn't have." Howard Dean

          by colleen on Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 10:09:33 AM PST

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          •  again (none)
            the dude was NOT disparaging and/or stereotyping feminists.  he was disparaging teresa or certain type of curmudgeon that could just as easily be a man.

            o'bierne is.

            calirornish was not.  is not.

            i have not failed to answer any questions.  everytime i answer it you say "so what?"

            well so what??  that's what.  there's nothing more to it.  

            there are no men here who buy into the o'biern camp.  no men i can see at all.

            tell you what.   you point one out to me who supports o'biern camp.

            you are making assertions without foundation.

            there is no one here that agrees with o'biern.

            no one at all.

            •  Well, this is one area where we disagree. (none)
              the dude was NOT disparaging and/or stereotyping feminists.

               You're welcome to understand his statements any way you choose but that's most decidedly not my perception.
              The fact of the matter is that Theresa is a very mainstream feminist, not even close to his description and this sort of characterization is a common theme here and an accepted one. While the right supports and funds it's far, far more extreme types and women's organizations like Concerned Women for America, the left and the Democratic party does not.

              "...the definition of a gaffe in Washington is somebody who tells the truth but shouldn't have." Howard Dean

              by colleen on Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 02:10:26 PM PST

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              •  that's true (none)
                i think this statement is directed at a certain kind of person.

                This is the nasty, pious, know-it-all curmudgeon whom the right geniously built up as a straw boogeyman for the last 25 years.

                you (and presumably teresa) think it's directed at feminists.

                we disagree.

                i don't know.  one day, calishfornia will say the same thing about a dude and perhaps then it'll still be a vicious .. vile... horrible.. vindictive... malignant  ...  attack on feminists.

                at any rate.

                i am quite sure teresa is a mainstream feminist.  i think feminism is mainstream by definition so that was NEVER a question.  what i'm criticizing here is a tendency i see here.  i could say the sky today was the deepest blue i've ever seen.  you could say you've seen bluer.  fine.  we disagree.

                only i get the sense that me saying the sky today is the bluest i've ever seen would be ... somehow... an attack on your feminism.  

                i find that that tendency does a disservice to the cause in general.  

                he was not criticizing feminists.  he was criticizing a kind of PERSON many of whom could just easily and many most certainly are.... men!!!  that is me backing up my opinion.

                oh.  and the repuglican party doesn't fund the fundamentalists.  other way around.

                •  Bimini, (none)
                  i find that that tendency does a disservice to the cause in general.

                   I've been reading you for a long time now and think I can say with a fair degree of certainty that your 'cause' whatever it may be, is not one that I share.

                  "...the definition of a gaffe in Washington is somebody who tells the truth but shouldn't have." Howard Dean

                  by colleen on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 09:16:47 AM PST

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