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  •  I'm Reciprocating (4.00)
    When people fill diaries with lies, I don't have a problem calling them on it.

    People want "fighting Democrats" and all that bullshit, but they don't like anyone disagreeing with them, and then they complain about it when someone disagrees.  If one can't take the rough and tumble, then they shouldn't post inflamatory garbage in a public space inhabited primarily by Democrats.

    The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

    by Dana Houle on Fri Jan 13, 2006 at 06:17:49 PM PST

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      The guy is right though DhinMi.  To him, the Democrats have nothing for people in the last few years and have largely supported the REublican agenda or put up token resistance to it.  For him (the bankruptcy bill did it for me), the Alito nomination is the final straw.  Still love the Democratic party for what it use to stand for, but these days it is clear that they either do not know what to stand for or have made a choice to be accomplices, distracting the public while the Republicans finish their looting.  

      As far as I am concerned with Alito, if you aren't supporting a filibuster, you are supporting his nomination.

      Clinton puts up Ginsberg and Breyer, a couple of pro business moderates.  Bush gives us Roberts and Alito, a couple of clearly far right-wingers with an agenda.  Do you think that is fair?  Do you think the Democrats should accept a status quo that works that way? Do you think they have done enough to stop it?  

      What is the breaking point for you, DHinMi? - you, as I, have been here a long time ... I am curious, what is your breaking point?

      ... now watch this drive.

      by jg on Fri Jan 13, 2006 at 06:28:40 PM PST

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      •  Um, No. Period (4.00)
        If you can't assess Democratic performance in Congress in the context of being in a minority, you have no business making the claims he's making.

        And just because he believes them doesn't make his claims any more legitimate than those of the people who believe gay marriage threatens civilization or that there's a war against Christmas.

        And nobody has given any clear indication what's going to happen on the filibuster.  I favor doing it (for reason different than most of the DKos crowd), and I'll be disappointed if they don't, but last time I checked there hasn't even been a committee vote, much less a floor vote.

        Did I miss the vote?

        The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

        by Dana Houle on Fri Jan 13, 2006 at 06:33:31 PM PST

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        •  RE (none)
          "And nobody has given any clear indication what's going to happen on the filibuster."

          DhinMi, now you are just being silly.  You have a member here a long time, you are an observer of political events, you know that there isn't going to be a filibuster even if Ted Kennedy hasn't called you personally to tell you.  There has never a Plan for how to organize the hearings to give Dems the best chance to pull off a filibuster, because there has never been a plan to filibuster him.  

          Before the hearings started, the press was reporting that there was no plan to filibuster Alito.

          Shit, Thomas was an unqualified, serial sexual harrasser of woman with a penchant for oddity porn, who lied to the committe repeatedly and they didn't bork him.  I kind of see a pattern when it comes to Democrats and hard right Republican nominees.  We give them moderates, they give us knuckledraggers.  Why do we give them moderates, because if we gave them a liberal, the Republicans (and some Democrats) would bork them with a filibuster if need be.

          ... now watch this drive.

          by jg on Fri Jan 13, 2006 at 06:42:38 PM PST

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          •  Don't Attribute Things to Me I Don't Believe (4.00)
            No, as much as you may find it hard to believe, I am not certain they won't filibuster.  I don't think they did a good job in committee, but I think that has more to do with the personalities clusterd on that committee.  But I've seen them hold firm on Bolton, and on the repeated filibusters of the appellate judges.  And just because the press says something, that doesn't make it so.  Geeze, you're smart enough to know that.  

            When I start seeing unattributed quotes to unnamed Dem senators saying a decision has been made that they won't filibuster, I may conclude there won't be one.  But I haven't seen that yet, and if they were certain they weren't going to filibuster, they would probably already have done that by now.  But instead, I've seen reports that they're counting votes.  I believe those reports to be true.

            Will they filibuster?  I really don't know.  But I'm not sure that the Dem Senators know yet either.

            The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

            by Dana Houle on Fri Jan 13, 2006 at 08:05:02 PM PST

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        •  You can't dispute a single point I made. (none)
          So I assume you accept the Debt Enslavement Act, the Iraq war, or any of a number of other bitch slaps that the Democraps have laid on you.  Or do you care to dispute the fact that the Democraps (not to be confused with Democrats) endorsed those and many other affronts?  

          In every stage of these Oppressions...: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated Injury." DoI, TJ

          by ChuckLin on Fri Jan 13, 2006 at 08:13:59 PM PST

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      •  you engaged in ratings abuse. (none)

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