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    The "tenor" of this thread, if you actually and objectively go back and honestly read it, is not about a bunch concerned citizens say "Gee, it sure is bad those soldiers don't have they need".

    For if it was, my attitude would be totally different.

    No, this thread is all about politics, and how this subject can be used as just another club to bludgeon the Bush Administration.

    Don't believe me?

    Go back and read the comments about "a special place in hell for Republicans", etc.

    I don't care if any of you support the war or not.

    I don't care what political party or ideology any of may believe in.

    That's your right and none of my business - but when you take what could and should be a serious - life and death - story, and then cheapen it by turning into a political debate topic and talking point; I am not going to have any patience for it or the person(s) making the argument.

    You want to talk to someone who knows something about the topic? You want to get to the real facts? You want to find the most accurate and honest version of the truth?

    Fine.

    Otherwise you are making a mockery of something quite important.

    When you do something like that for the sake of politics, in my book you are a "whiner".

    The question is: How are you approaching this topic?

    Only you can answer the following question as a result: "Are you a 'whiner'"?

    If not, calm down, for the shoe does not fit.

    Otherwise, why are you whining because someone called you a "whiner"?

    Simple, eh?

    •  Clockwise - (none)
      Again, I want to thank you for contributing to this thread, and this site. (And, by the way, you can still go  back and change those "1" ratings.)

      You said some things in this comment in particular that I want to give you some feedback on.

      First, take a look at these from your comment:


      The "tenor" of this thread, if you actually and objectively go back and honestly read it, is not about a bunch concerned citizens say "Gee, it sure is bad those soldiers don't have they need". [snip]

      No, this thread is all about politics [snip]

      Go back and read the comments about "a special place in hell for Republicans", etc.

      I would invite you to reconsider those remarks. First, the entire motivation for this diary and most of the comments in the thread - the "fire in the belly," if you will, of the people writing - is, in fact, outrage that the possibility exists that "these soldiers don't have what they need" because somebody is fucking up in some way, whether deliberate (God forbid) or otherwise. If it were the case that, say, the White House Christmas tree were lacking decorations because of a bureaucratic snafu or because somebody's brother-in-law got paid off and didn't deliver the goods, do you think anybody here would give a rat's ass? The answer is no, and I think you understand that. No, it's very simply that these are our soliders (including you, for that matter), and dammit, they should have what they need. Believe me, knowing that you will be redeployed in another few weeks gives me a queasy feeling, now that we have made even this tenuous electronic connection. I want you to be as safe as you can be under the circumstances.

      So, no, this thread is not "all about politics". And, nowhere in the thread does anyone write, "a special place in hell for Republicans." No, the special place in hell is reserved for those who would profit from a war where soldiers are dying because of someone's corruption. Believe me when I tell you that no one at DailyKos would have one iota of problem escorting a Democrat to the "Abandon Hope, all Ye Who Enter Here" sign if it was discovered that they had done that.


      You want to talk to someone who knows something about the topic? You want to get to the real facts? You want to find the most accurate and honest version of the truth?

      I'm sure it wasn't your intention to imply that yours was "the most accurate and honest version of the truth." Obviously, there is only one "truth," and no "versions" of it. And, as I'm sure you're aware, there are plenty of people on DailyKos who "know something about the topic," not just you. No one else can speak to your experience, to be sure, but everybody can speak to their own experience. That's why there are 260 comments on this thread, not just 1.

      One thing you will find as you spend more time at dKos - and I hope you do - is that a HUGE pool of human experience - including lots and lots of military experience, even at the highest levels - contributes to this site. You are not the only vet here, not even close.

      You will also find, almost without exception, that Kossacks support the men and women who are serving in our armed forces. Many, many of us have friends and relatives in uniform. Many, many of us have lost loved ones in war. Some of us lost loved ones in World War II, and not just in combat, but in concentration camps.

      I gather from your bio, etc., that you're in your mid-20s. If my surmise is correct, that means, ipso facto, that you have not lived through some of the times that others on this site have. Just as a for-instance, you were not alive during the Vietnam War and the 1960s, or during Watergate. For that matter, you were probably not a cognizant political animal during the Reagan years. Now that, in and of itself, doesn't mean anything; however, those of us who were alive during all of these things have a perspective unavailable to you - just as your combat experience gives you a perspective unavailable to me (or George W. Bush, Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan, for that matter). The beauty of this site is that it is a forum for all of those perspectives to be shared and drawn upon.

      Nobody has a monopoly on wisdom or insight or knowledge because of age or experience - and that works in both directions.

      And, finally, your comments are welcome - by most people. As you've seen from some of the responses on this thread, some people can get very worked up over things that are written here. It's important (not just for you, but for everyone posting) not to get personal, to maintain respect. Generally, judging from what you've posted here, I would say you have done that in your writing. (The "1" ratings are another issue, but let's put that aside for now.)

      The reason I'm taking so much time to write this response is that I truly value your participation in this forum. I know I speak for many when I write that.

      Peace.

      We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor -The Declaration of Independence

      by occams hatchet on Wed Jan 18, 2006 at 08:54:31 AM PST

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      •  You're alright! (none)
        I don't care what they say about you!

        Yeah, I tend to be a little grandiose at times, but hey, that's just me - take it with a grain of salt.

        Would it interest you to know that I "celebrated" my fortieth birthday while I was in Iraq last year? My ass may be getting ready to slide over the top of the hill, but the heart and mind are still young and as sharp as ever! My father, God rest his soul, was a WW II vet and my military experience started under a President who's name was Carter. So, yes, I have been around the block a few times, and I have a special love of history, especially post WW I and onward. What I am trying to tell you is a have an idea of how things work. ;)

        While I will be reporting to my next duty station with the next two weeks, I doubt I will be sent back to Iraq within the next two years - if even at all, as much can happen in two years. But you never know - that is the life of a warrior. Could be in Iran in a few months if things don't cool down, and sooner or later we will have to tassel with China, but that's much further down to road and is not going to be pretty.

        I hope all of this calms your jittery nerves! ;)

        I promise as soon as I figure out how to rectify the scores I handed out, seemingly unfairly, I will do so.

        Would I lie?

        :)

        •  Roger that (none)
          and, once again, my presuppositions get blasted.

          God, I love this forum!

          Best of luck to you. Please continue to post. And think about diarying soon, if you can.

          OH

          We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor -The Declaration of Independence

          by occams hatchet on Wed Jan 18, 2006 at 11:57:21 AM PST

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        •  CW - here's one for ya (none)
          A current Front Page (FP) story you might have an opinion on:

          Swiftboaters in the crosshairs

          Your thoughts, I believe, would be welcome in the comments.

          Just go easy on the "1"s !!!!

          <joke>

          We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor -The Declaration of Independence

          by occams hatchet on Wed Jan 18, 2006 at 01:33:27 PM PST

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