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  •  Sigh... (3.00)
    "I admit it.  I thought her support of a constitutional amendment prohibiting blacks and whites from getting married was a dealbreaker.  I said, "How dare she!  She went too far!  I won't give her a frelling cent!"
    Silly silly me."

    Yes, silly you.  And silly all of you who gloss over this.  Many members of Bush's own party call this for what it is, an outrage.  

    She could have come out against this by quoting conservative Republicans who are against it.

    He support for the hate-amendment is inexcusable.

    •  Obviously (none)
      Herseth and her cows aren't trampelling THEIR civil rights. Don't you think it's so bizarre how people rationalize their endosement of someone, who if she was giving away THEIR civil rights, would be squealing like stuck pigs.

      We're not daddy's generation of Nancy Boyz, so get used to it.

      by wilfred on Tue Mar 02, 2004 at 12:45:53 PM PST

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      •  Staying home ain't helping (none)
        It is most important to make a choice.
        Not making a choice in an election is a statement of support for the winner.
        So, if you hate Herseth and she wins, you endorsed her anyway.
        If you stay home and she loses, you endorsed the GOP opponent, and now you get less.

        Certainly, as an out of state donor, you can choose to spread the wealth elsewhere.  You only have so many bucks.  But I'm focused on her positives, especially since her negatives are identical to those of the GOP, which has far less positives.

        You make good points about civil rights, but we can choose to continue to fight her on this issue when she's a Representative.
        Otherwise, we all lose our rights.

        •  Voting (3.66)
          for your oppressors is stupidity. and if you don't think Herseth is my oppressor you're living in fantasy land.

          i have to exist on this site with the folks here who coo and gush over ole Steph. during a thread the other day half the guys had their hands down their shorts fawning over how hot she is. do you have any idea that you will never know the equivalent of what we felt on that thread here? there isn't even an analogy for you guys. at moments like that you just become the oppressive majority to me, plain and simple.

          We're not daddy's generation of Nancy Boyz, so get used to it.

          by wilfred on Tue Mar 02, 2004 at 04:52:55 PM PST

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          •  Then you have a harder task (none)
            Nominate an anti-FMA candidate for the seat.
            Green, another Democrat, whatever.
            I'd still advise that they have all of Herseth's positives.  Her plus anti-FMA is another way to see it.
            I cannot imagine what you are going through, because I wouldn't stay in a country that outlawed Jewish marriage.
            I commend you for your bravery.
            What I am saying is not that you are silly to see this as a deal-breaker.  I'm saying you have to make some sort of deal if you live there and vote there.
            You have to choose someone or you vote for the winner by staying home.
            Steph Herseth won't get any message on FMA, because her opponents in the GOP have the identical position.
            As a donor, you can give or not.
            Our dialogue has pushed me back over the fence on that issue.  I'll just give more to Tim Bishop instead, who is my folks' Representative and who opposes the FMA.
            If you want to send a message to the party, give to Bishop.
            •  Thanks (none)
              for the good suggestion. That's what I'm going to do.

              We're not daddy's generation of Nancy Boyz, so get used to it.

              by wilfred on Tue Mar 02, 2004 at 05:10:34 PM PST

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              •  Just to be clear (none)
                I'm torn on the politics of choice paradoxes and the Democratic Party, not civil rights.
                I read your thing, then Barney Frank's comments on another thread, and now I am back (for the fourth time today) on DON'T give to Herseth.

                I really believe strongly in the idea that you complain rather than exit (another idea from the book).
                You take the opportunity to put up good people during primary season, and then you pick the best candidate in the general.  That best might be UGH, but you'll always wonder if you could have helped avoid the worse option.

                Just curious ... how do you feel about Kerry and Nader's positions on the FMA?

                •  Good question (none)
                  I support Kerry's position on MFA but do not support his decision as Senator on the MA constitution. As far as Nader, I haven't been paying attention to his positions as the only time I've seen him was on Bill Maher. I do appreciate how much time and thought you are putting into this. Best of luck.

                  We're not daddy's generation of Nancy Boyz, so get used to it.

                  by wilfred on Tue Mar 02, 2004 at 06:56:06 PM PST

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