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  •  More proof Brady is exaggerating (4.00)
    On 1/17, Hal Straus (washingtonpost.com Opinions Editor) said that only "about a dozen" comments (out of "more than 700") "failed to make a substantive point and were simply personal attacks on Howell and others."

    That's an incivility rate of 1.7%. Not bad.

    Compare this to what Brady said: "we had about 1,000 posts on one posting and a few hundred of those we had to axe." That implies an incivility rate of at least 20%. Big difference.

    All indications are that Brady is talking about posts that simply never existed.

    •  It may be 2000 posts 'o profanity by Sunday (4.00)
      Or, perhaps, they somehow went back into the archive and deleted the posts in question, after-the-fact?

      At least, that was my initial impression after reading his interview at Jay Rosen's site.

      As we know, they overreacted because the Ombudsman was far too stubborn about changing what is a known - and, key - Republican lie concerning their K Street corruption scandle.  This corruption issue is a high crime, deeply embedded within the firmament of our federal government - alot is riding on attention given to the facts of what is wrong and how we got here.  Online people - armed with facts and context - aren't going to let the traditional media play a complicit role in the corruption that easily, anymore.  We saw a battleline being drawn and fought in recent days on WaPo's own site.

      As Atrios recently restated, if she simply admitted that her statement could be updated to clearly note how no evidence has implicated any Dem as benefitting in the pay-for-play situation involving Abramahoff and other players working through the machinery of Delay's K-Street project, then their site would never have been deluged by increasingly frustrated - but, on the mark - readers from across the blogosphere.

      •  ...they are highly resentful.. (4.00)
        ..of the sudden intrusion by blogs into their world. They are stubbornly resistant to change their 'take it as I tell you' ways.  Its been a couple weeks ago, but on my drive to work I heard an NPR commentator refer to bloggers as "people who haven't left the house in two years."  Well, give us a couple more years and they'll be the ones sitting home...
      •  profanity (none)
        I betcha a bunch of right-wingers will start emailing a real deluge of nasty profane posts, just to further discredit real criticism of Howell.

        What would our founding fathers say about trading their civil liberties for safety from terror attacks?
        Give me Liberty or give me death!

        by jeffwass on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 09:35:42 AM PST

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    •  More on Straus and message "deletion" (4.00)
      I mentioned that WaPo editor Strauss alluded to a highly unalarming incivility rate of 1.7%. It should be noted that Straus made this comment in the context of responding to reader complaints about message "deletions."

      Thanks to Yahoo cache, there is another archive of messages (in addition to the archive I mentioned above). The Yahoo archive includes 237 posts, covering the period from 1/17 1:25 am to 1/18 3:21 pm. In this archive there are indeed quite a few complaints by readers who claim that messages were disappearing.

      Straus explained, in response, that the WaPo blog software was failing under the heavy load, and not displaying messages properly. It was in this context that he went out of his way to mention that only 1.7% of the messages had been deliberately deleted by WaPo moderators. Other messages that seemed to have disappeared were only temporarily hidden because of software problems.

      As I mentioned above, this is important because a WaPo editor is explicitly reporting an incivility rate dramatically lower than what Brady suggested just a few days later. This is also important because it indicates that when messages disappear, readers notice and speak up, repeatedly. In the Yahoo transcript there are indeed many complaints about messages getting lost. Straus responded to those complaints, and apparently fixed the software problem.

      In contrast, the 1/19 transcript has almost a complete absence of complaints about missing messages (note that the two transcripts contain almost exactly the same number of messages). Surely readers would still have been speaking up about that problem, if the problem had persisted. But apparently the problem did not persist. In other words, when Brady suggests that he's been deleting messages left and right (profane messages, soon after they were posted), he seems to be emitting "pure wind" (to borrow a phrase from Orwell).

      The only real profanity seems to be that Brady is telling lies in order to cover for the lies being told by Howell in order to cover for the lies being told by more senior Bushists. I have a feeling Straus is too honest to be able to hold a job with this crew.

      Speaking of profanity, there is a dramatic absence of that in the Yahoo transcript. Out of about 25,000 words, one-tenth of one percent could be remotely construed as profane. Here they are: balls, bs, bull, bullsh-t, cahones, cock-up, Crap, CRAP!, crappy, DebDoesDallas, doofus, Heck, Heck, heckuva, Jesus, Jesus!!, piss, screw, screwed, screws, scum-journalists, SCUMMY, scums, scums, shitload.

      If words like that are highly offensive to Brady, especially when he is seemingly unoffended by an outlaw administration, that tends to create the impression that he's a fucking asshole.

      PS: hopefully soon WaPo will repost the contents of the Yahoo transcript (since they recently reposted other messages, in accordance with a promise Brady made along these lines). It will be fascinating to use the Yahoo archive to investigate what WaPo decides to throw away.

      •  Tinfoil-ish, but here goes (4.00)
        In contrast, the 1/19 transcript has almost a complete absence of complaints about missing messages (note that the two transcripts contain almost exactly the same number of messages). Surely readers would still have been speaking up about that problem, if the problem had persisted. But apparently the problem did not persist.

        Or that, by 1/19, the Post had figured out that they'd better delete messages referring to deleted messages . . .

        Just sayin'.

        We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor -The Declaration of Independence

        by occams hatchet on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 08:48:04 AM PST

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