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  •  Now (3.99)
    When we take on the cable news nets directly with some blog-style on-line video content ... then we'll be cookin' with gas!

    PubliusTV: A Collaborative Media Network

    by BriVT on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 06:14:09 AM PST

    •  paging Mr. Gore... n/t (4.00)

      "This...this is the fault of that Clinton Penis! And that powermongering wife of his!"

      by CaptUnderpants on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 08:17:43 AM PST

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      •  Gore was actually responsible (none)
        for making matters worse by shutting down Newsworld International (a good truly neutral provider) to broadcast his appalling MTV trendy no content news channel.

        'Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it'. - GBS

        by stevej on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 12:11:54 PM PST

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    •  They aren't going to change (3.00)
      Anytime soon...

      I like your optimism; but your thesis is lacking.

      As long as MSNBC and CNN are paid by the defense industry I can't see them doing anything but being paid whores.  

      We can't necessarily change their bosses so I'm not sure how to change it.  We can beat them up all day and its fun, but they'll just keep spewing that crap even if they are covered with the cabbages we throw at them.

      •  not what the post is about (3.95)
        It's about going around the gatekeepers.  The delivery system for video content is going to be changing soon, and quite profoundly.  

        What needs to happen as it does is a few reliable sites are going to be needed, with good quality content available, both in terms of information quality and the celerity to be there when it happens and get it out there quickly.  Live is not out of the question - the technology exists now, and it's not priced out of the realm of possibility.

        Then, the next step is to get a few truly recognizable faces out front - that, when all is said and done, is something that will pique the interest not just of the motivated but of the "drive-by" viewers.  

        And the final link is to get an archive of full-bandwidth material available to the major players.  Why?  Well, ever notice the "courtesy" bugs on sat feed footage?  Branding.  Getting it out into the mainstream.  This looser structure will be able to say it's won when the nets are using the material.

        Not an easy proposition.  It's going to have to be very focused, very organized, and will be rickety and chancy at the outset.  CNN was.  They succeeded.  (Then they sold out to Time Warner.  We all know what came of that!)

        But it can be done.  The means to do it exist.  Now it needs people and content.  And money, lots of it.  Servers, and disk space, and fiber optic lines, true, but also journalists.  Reporters, camera crews, producers, directors for the "live news webcasts" and technicians to keep it all humming.  It can be done.

        If you vote Republican, you vote for corruption.

        by MN camera on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 08:56:42 AM PST

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        •  Not as much as you'd think (4.00)
          There are ways of getting it started that are not nearly as much money as you'd think ... in fact, I think most people would be shocked at how you could do it flexibly and for fairly low cost, at least in the early stages.

          It's really too much to explain here and a bit of a tangent, but I'm part of a group working on just such a site. You can click on the link in my sig, if you're interested. It's not ready for a prime-time launch, yet, but we're trying to get filmmaker partners and others involved. If you're interested, you can e-mail at the address in my profile ("video" followed by the "at" symbol then "publius dot tv" to confuse the spam-bots) ...

          But, like I said, that's another story ...

          PubliusTV: A Collaborative Media Network

          by BriVT on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 11:26:46 AM PST

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          •  been to your site (none)
            I like the idea.  Now how do we get to

            "...a few reliable sites are going to be needed, with good quality content available, both in terms of information quality and the celerity to be there when it happens and get it out there quickly.  Live is not out of the question - the technology exists now, and it's not priced out of the realm of possibility.

            Then, the next step is to get a few truly recognizable faces out front - that, when all is said and done, is something that will pique the interest not just of the motivated but of the "drive-by" viewers.  

            And the final link is to get an archive of full-bandwidth material available to the major players.  Why?  Well, ever notice the "courtesy" bugs on sat feed footage?  Branding.  Getting it out into the mainstream.  This looser structure will be able to say it's won when the nets are using the material."

            ...from there?  When I put up an earlier version of these ideas someone suggested Google Video, which I went and visited, and it looked to me like a combination of public access TV and pay-per-view.  Not good, not useful.

            Again, as I say above, what will really be needed is a lot of people ("boots on the ground" if you will) with cameras and the ability to shoot, cut, voice, and upload stuff fast.  And some with the ability to go live from events of significance.  I am open to suggestions, and willing to pass some along as well.

            If you vote Republican, you vote for corruption.

            by MN camera on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 11:54:04 AM PST

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            •  thanks (3.80)
              a few reliable sites are going to be needed, with good quality content available, both in terms of information quality and the celerity to be there when it happens and get it out there quickly.  Live is not out of the question - the technology exists now, and it's not priced out of the realm of possibility

              The "live" aspect is a second-level outcome. The first outcome to work toward is the "good quality content." The advances in technology have created a world where almost anyone has the means to create a compelling video piece (not everyone has the skills or talent, of course). And many of them are doing just that. What we're doing now is trying to reach out to people to create a "nodal network" of filmmakers to create compelling pieces about the way issues play out in the real world. Once the interest/traffic in the site gets high enough, then more "live" type things can be created. But the main goal at the outset is to marry text with video to make the connections that the current media doesn't make, the connections between issues and their effects, between politics and our lives. And to always do it with video pieces that are "trustworthy" in terms of both quality and content.

              Then, the next step is to get a few truly recognizable faces out front

              The first stage would be to get those of us who are used to getting our content on-line in blog form to tune in. Then, as sites like this grow, faces recongnizable to the general public can be recruited to move things out into the population.

              And the final link is to get an archive of full-bandwidth material available to the major players.  Why?  Well, ever notice the "courtesy" bugs on sat feed footage?  Branding.  Getting it out into the mainstream.  This looser structure will be able to say it's won when the nets are using the material.

              Fairly easy, really. Just bug everything and keep the links active. Copyrighting will be loose, as long as that bug stays in it. Spreading the word is more important than squeezing money out of the video. In fact, the video is free and downloadable, and we'll encourage people to share it in any way they can.

              The time is now to start things like this, although I'm guessing it's 3-5 years away from being really attractive for a large section of the population. Google Video sucks (like you said, public access), and iTunes is the place for big media companies to hawk their wares. Sites like ours, and nodal networks like we're trying to create, are what we see as the best path to create an environment for independent films that can make an impact ...

              PubliusTV: A Collaborative Media Network

              by BriVT on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 12:53:42 PM PST

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              •  Pictures, words and impact. (none)
                compelling pieces about the way issues play out in the real world.

                Brought to mind Senator Byrds "rambling" on...Coal
                yesterday. I could feel the impact of Alito on the coal communities. But I do that easily, translate words into pictures in my head. Too easily, when something is close to my heart. However I do realize  that most people need the actual pictures and words words together to connect up  how something effects their lives. Otherwise, it's just boring.

                Good work with the site. I will send a link to some indy filmmakers that I know.  

        •  I was listening to something on the radio (4.00)
          in the past few months - don't have time to hunt it up now - that addressed this issue exactly: the founding fathers believed in freedom of the press - in those days, damn near everybody could afford to set themselves up in business as a newspaper publisher.

          The barriers to entry - costs - aren't what they are today - today you must have the kind of funding the defense industry provides to CNN & MSNBC.  Not so on the web...it's a real return to the kind of media diversity and accessibility to the general public envisioned before the rise of the Hearsts, et al.

        •  You can do it too! (4.00)
          We here at RealityBasedTV (by "we" I mean me, my camcorder, and my laptop) are doing this now, and with zero outside money. The server space and bandwidth are available for free at http://video.google.com and http://ourmedia.org.

          We need hundreds, even thousands, of people doing this to shine a bright light on the currently-dark recesses of american politics.

          You can do it too! Click here to see my humble attempt, with interviews of:

          • Prof. Juan Cole
          • Cindy Sheehan
          • Crystal Patterson (Senator Kennedy's blogger)

          Come see TV from the reality-based community at RealityBasedTV.com

          by MarkInSanFran on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 12:05:57 PM PST

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          •  hey Mark (none)
            I was gonna e-mail you tomorrow ... We're getting closer to going live with content on PubliusTV. Let me know what you're doing now/looking at doing in the future. If you don't still have my e-mail ... I'll e-mail you tomorrow.

            Brian

            PubliusTV: A Collaborative Media Network

            by BriVT on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 12:55:51 PM PST

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            •  Thanks! (none)
              I have a piece in production about an old-media attack on Craigslist, including interviews with Craig as well as his CEO and CTO. Should be done in a week or so.

              I have the editted version of the intro to my Juan Cole interview ready for you. I guess I now need your upload software to send it to you?

              Come see TV from the reality-based community at RealityBasedTV.com

              by MarkInSanFran on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 02:00:47 PM PST

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        •  Democratization of Media (none)
          Without a doubt, one of the major historical stories of the beginning of this century is the democratization of media.

          It is thrilling to witness the emergence of the internet media age.

          I am reminded of a quote Francis Ford Coppolla made back in 1980. When asked what the future of cinema was, he replied that the future of cinema belonged to some kid out on a Kansas farm somewhere with a home video camera.

          Back then many puzzled at his remark, but now, we can see he prophetic words taking shape.

          Almost daily, the technology evolves towards one thing: accessibility, ease of use, wide delivery, low cost.

          We do need to seize this new day, and make it our own.

          Fighting for Progressive Pilgrims on the road to a better democracy.

          by Templarist on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 10:16:40 PM PST

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        •  A wrench in their plan to control media (none)
          As a student of media and one that truly is appriciative of the work of blogs, there is still a lot of work to do. In the Reagan Administration, when they encouraged the FCC to deregulate and break down ownership laws of media, it led to this. It led to Bush and a public that is told that a stain on a dress is worse than the stain of American blood on the presidents hands. You, the blogisphere found a way around their nearly complete control of media in America. There is still so much that can and will be done. I have faith in the new media, the people's news.
          •  The Simon Plan (none)
            This is all pursuant to the plan laid out by former Nixon Treasury Secretary Simon to control the media, universities and faith (actually the last is more of a neo-con thought).

            Just read todd Gitlin's Twilight of Common Dreans. There is no Vasst Right-Wing conspiracy; the plan has been very openly stated for years.

            •  They tried to do it with "family hour" (none)
              The original version of family hour, which sought to censor t.v. content in the first part of prime time, started during the end of the Nixon presidency (1973-74, IIRC). It was successfully fought in the courts by Norman Lear and Larry Gelbart.

              Unfortunately, I think Hollywood is far too complacent that it can't happen again, and I don't see anyone at the moment with the stature of a Norman Lear or a Larry Gelbart that will stand up to the government.

              "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight. You've got to kick at the darkness until it bleeds daylight." --Bruce Cockburn, "Lovers In A Dangerous

              by AustinCynic on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 10:01:41 AM PST

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        •  In the meantime, (none)
          Call NPR and get Juan Williams pulled off either NPR or FOX. I'm sick and tired of liberals and progs and politicians on FOX. They give legitimacy to insane ideas and propaganda. Juan Williams disgusts me.
          •  When he took over Talk of the Nation... (none)
            ...years ago, I thought "How could NPR come up with such a self-inflated dimwit?"  - and after the incomparable Ray Suarez, to boot!  

            And it's been all down hill since. He is absolutely appalling.

      •  Closing the Triangle (4.00)
        What we're seeing is the first glimmer of what the fruits of pushback on the media look like.  Ever since the blogs stopped defending the traditional media and started attacking it from the side of truth, they've had to respond.  And now that we have a taste of what works, there will be much more of this down the road.

        "I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords..."

        by pawlr on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 09:37:25 AM PST

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      •  Consider the assumption you are making. (none)
        The heads of industry are, to a man, decent patriotic Americans.

        They are not bloodthirsty, Satan worshiping psychopaths.

        The problem is they have been corrupted by power and greed, think Anakin Skywalker. They often beieve their actions to be justified.

        The key is to bash them over the head with the cold hard facts whenever we can. Bush is incompetent. The GOP is corrupt. Iraq is a disaster.

        It isn't fair that we have to do this, it's a problem we will no doubt need to fix someday (I'm thinking we need a UK style BBC type media) but for now we have to deal with the media we've got.

        But don't be so cynical, if our political and corporate leaders were as bad as you say, we all would've been sent to concentration camps by now.

        Keep the faith.

        "I am not a crook" - The Honorable Richard M. Nixon

        by tricky dick on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 01:01:29 PM PST

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        •  Bah! (none)
          >>>>>The heads of industry are, to a man, decent patriotic Americans.<<<<<

          Bullshit. The captains of industry almost to a man suppourted Hitler in the 30's, and today's generation would do it again in a second.

          Fun fact: Seminal goth band The Sisters of Mercy were almost named The Captains of Industry, but TSoM was thought to be funnier.

      •  Far from "winning" (none)
        The notion that the netroots is somehow "winning" is incredibly naive and ignores the institutional pressures, influences, biases, and conflicts of interest the basically DICTATE a certain type of news delivery that so many people on kos and other likeminded types find objectionable and just plain misleading and dishonest.

        I will say, however, that they are fighting back now instead of ljust laughing the netroots off.  The battle has been now engaged by them and they are now taking the netroots seriously, at least enough to try to demonize them.  They realize now that they are in a war and realize that they now have to fight back.

        And make no mistake, they ARE fighting back.

        But you are quite naive if you think that they are done with this fight.

        Quite honestly, too much big money and too much big power is at stake for them to change much of anything that they have been doing in any substantial way.  

        The only real hope will be for the Netroots to continue to educate the public about them, continue to deligitimize them in the eyes of the general public, and continue to expand their own influence with the general public.  

        Trust me, however.  The "war" with the corporate media will continue.  The Netroots will, perhaps, continue to gain ground in this war. But it is far, far from over.

        The corporate media will NEVER admit to the lies, dishonestly, suppression of truth, and propagandizing of theirs that are so blatantly obvious to the net roots.

        You are naive if you think they will.  Too much in terms of money and power is at stake for them for them to do so.

        •  I agree (4.00)
          They will fight like hell for their bottom line.  Their problem is that demonizing doesn't work when the people you are demonizing aren't in it for the money or the votes.  This is what has them flummoxed, and it is what flummoxed them when Ghandi did his bit and Martin Luther King did his bit.  Most people you can bribe or threaten.  But this medium we participate in is too diffuse, and most of us are to secure, and some of us have extremely powerful friends, and can't be threatened, and some of us just don't give a shit, make my day.  

          So the execs who would like to shut us down have their work cut out.  Censorship is the likely tactic.  Something in the Patriot Act that allows the government to shut down unpatriotic sites.  Perhaps that.  But for the time being, they don't know what to do.  We aren't selling any product. We just are there.  Anyone can tune in or tune out.  And new sites are always emerging.  Think of the huge recent success of Jane Hamsher's site, and Booman.  

          In short, I'm hopeful. And that's saying alot.

          •  Right On (none)
            I'll be tuning in, blogging and calling these assholes on their bullshit until they figure out a way to pass a law making it legal to seize my computer.....

            ...which I have no doubt they'll at least THINK about doing.

          •  Hit 'Em Where They Live (none)
            They will fight like hell for their bottom line.

            So hit 'em there.

            Two Words: advertiser boycotts.

            Even the threat is enough to get advertisers to put pressure on. Look at what just happened to "The Book of Daniel."

            Organize a letter and e-mail campaign to every advertiser on Hardball, and Mr. Matthews will be singing a different tune.

            The Right has known this for years, that's why the media has become their patsy.

            Alexander found Babylon a mistress easier to enter than to leave. ---Oliver Stone

            by JDRhoades on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 05:36:37 AM PST

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        •  Depends on what we mean by "winning" (none)
          What blogging does, at its best, is provide a relentless drip, drip of facts, that, when they reach a critical mass can no longer be ignored. At that point the true marketplace of ideas in broadened.

          The commentary that frames those facts is important, but, I submit, ultimately less important than the facts used to support the commentary. This is why the best blogs are not just editorial ranting. Think of Kos and others as dozens or hundreds of wannabee I.F. Stones.

          "Winning" thus becomes changing the terms of the political conversation. The right did this starting in the 60s. We can do it, too.

          But beware hubris. We should no more relish unconditional victory for ourselves than for others. We must trust in pluralism, multiple centers of power and influence, in democracy, so sadly lacking in our nation today. Lord Acton's oft-stated quote that "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" is as true applied to the "good" as to the "bad". (He was referring to Pope ?, BTW, who in 1870 proclaimed the doctrine of papal infallibility - presumably a rear-guard action against loss of power due to the unification of Italy, but that's another story)

      •  Are you a Toastmaster, Talkie?? (none)
        I started a TM club for Progressives last summer in the Portland area. Our motto: "Speaking persuasively about things that matter". Would love to get more groups going across the country.
        •  Way to go! (none)
          I'm in two TM clubs myself.  It seems like a great venue to discuss and hone political dialogue, but the books say to avoid talking about religion and politics.

          I had the same idea, to start a politically-oriented club.  It would take quite a recruitment effort, though.  Plus, I live in Montreal and aside from seperatism, political passions don't run so high here.

          Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.

          by Cream Puff on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 11:08:58 AM PST

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    •  I don't know if we're winning yet (4.00)
      But at least  we're calling out the crooked referees.

      For far to long these referees have been allowing the Players to call balls and strikes and Treating the Republican Party Like the Yankees ans anyone who questions them a minor leaquer.

      If a lie comes out of Karl Roves mouth it's still a Lie not "the view of the whitehouse" and Half of a story in a reporters attempt to be "fair and balanced"

      http://dumpjoe.com/

      by ctkeith on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 08:37:20 AM PST

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      •  not winning BUT (4.00)
        we ARE evening the scales back to the center position....because WE of the liberal/progressive/democratic 'wing' have finally learned how to organize a media fightback...something we didnt do before but the other side did with vigor

        NOW we can generate thousands of angry emails in a matter of minutes....a surprise for the corporate owned media...and we can organize a boycott call within 24 hours (witness the fight back to sinclair)  we also vote in online polls which stops the polls from being FREEPED to the right....

        and the more of US that join these 'fight back' or 'rapid response' or 'action alert' calls the more WE effect what happens in the media....for no matter how much the corporate daddies want the message of the day to be 'right' they do have bottom lines and investors and most especially advertisers to account to...even if they dont feel accountible to us....

        my personal view is that we should try something new and interesting....we should call for a day of NO EMAILS and NO VIEWING and NO DIARIES about cable news...or at least one target, say chris matthews.....we all send an email to the parent company that we are FED UP with the partisan bent to say HARDBALL and will boycott that show unless the host stops using republican talking points instead of hard facts....then TOTAL SILENCE...at least for one day....imagine if the producers of hardball got NO emails from the left...not one...zilch...and no one talked about the show on a single left leaning blog...not a peep....

        what if msnbc put on a show and ONLY right wing conservatives tuned in....but they dont tune in to msnbc...they tune into FOX....and if we dont tune in, even for ONE DAY....

        i wonder how advertisers would react....if they were told they had just wasted tens of thousands of dollars on ads NO ONE saw...

        "if all the world's a stage, who is sitting in the audience?"

        by KnotIookin on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 08:53:02 AM PST

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        •  I like this idea, (none)
          but how can it be practically implemented? I can see some mass impact, but not total--too many variables for it to work very well. Still, I love the idea.

          "That story is not worth the paper it's rotten on"--Dorothy Parker

          by martyc35 on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 10:45:21 AM PST

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      •  I have never lived in a country (none)
        before where the press is seemingly unaware of the difference in these two statements:

        The President thinks........

        and

        The President says that he thinks........

        'Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it'. - GBS

        by stevej on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 12:18:45 PM PST

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    •  Thank you (none)
      Reading your diary has made me feel cautiously optomistic about our future for the first time since Bush was elected.

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