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  •  Hunh? (none)
    I can only make sense of your comments about Howard Dean having gone "batshit crazy" by thinking that you -- like the MSM -- see him as  merchandise in some kind of multi-million dollar "Buy Democrat" Super Bowl commercial, rather than as the fully human being he really is.

    Because, of course, if he's merchandise, he should be new, shiny, and factory-fresh.  He should handle smoothly, he should corner like he's on rails, and the doors of his mouth should shut not with a loud slam! but with a quiet chunk. If he's merchandise, then he's got to have the new car smell on him.  He can't have any door-dings, no cigarette burns in the upholstery, and certainly no wind-up windows.  As long as he's merchandise, he can thrill us and flatter us by the mere fact that we have such good taste in choosing him.  

    But if he is fully human, then he is allowed to be exhausted, sometimes; he can be full of disappointment and adrenaline, full of ideas but not always the perfect tags to pitch them.  He can let out a rebel yell in the spirit of the moment, once in awhile, without anyone thinking he's nuts.  He can be a good man, and a good leader, and still show some normal wear and tear.

    Reagan.  Schwarzenegger.  Bush.  Roberts.  Santorum. Alito.  In my view, it's the American habit of only valuing "pretty things" -- the politics of telegenics itself gone mad -- that has gotten us into this fine mess in the first place.  I don't mind the fact that Dean didn't always keep it perfectly pulled together on the campaign trail. And I, for one, would far rather have been subjected to his quirks as President, than be in this present hell, where the American people are being incessantly, pleasantly, stoned to death with cotton balls lobbed by the dapper and ever affable Bush.

    •  Who am I gonna believe... (none)
      you or my lying eyes.

      Dean was a disaster. It's a shame really. He was right about Iraq. But his campaign was lame.

      It's fine to go after the media, they are anything but objective. But I'm not about to participate in this irrational hero worship of Dean in regards to his suitability to be POTUS.

      Dean had a meltdown. I saw it. I fucking saw it. CNN didn't point a mind control ray at my head and plant the image of Dean melting down in my brain, he melted down.

      Now, here is my assessment of the Dean campaign. If he had been nominated, he would have been called out by Rove for dodging the draft in Vietnam (which he most certainly did) and God knows what else. He would have smeared without mercy by the right wing noise machine and we wouldn't even have 41 Senators to filibuster with right now.

      Dean is swell. I love him. Best DNC chair ever. But those of you who cling to the idea that this is the guy we want running in a national election are not using any kind of rational thought process to arrive at that conclusion. The GOP can barely sneak a guy like Bush through with everything rigged in their favor. The Democratic Party needs to run perfect campaigns with perfect candidates to win.

      Maybe Feingold could do it, or a guy like Paul Hackett. Maybe Obama.

      But Dean would have been a disaster, even more so than Kerry, who was pretty bad.

      "I am not a crook" - The Honorable Richard M. Nixon

      by tricky dick on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 05:21:54 PM PST

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      •  You saw it. You saw it with your own eyes (none)
        CNN couldn't have -wouldn't have -shown only a specifically select section of the event --and that was the immediacy of that "scream" and nothing more. So, you absolutely received the full truth and nothing but the truth so help them G*d.  

        Yep, you know everything because CNN is never wrong and they are a bastion of honesty and integrity. Journalism at its highest.

        Not.

        <div style="color: #a00000;"> Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshal

        by bronte17 on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 09:44:49 PM PST

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        •  Yeah dude, I shouldn't underestimate (none)
          the power of Cheney's mind control ray.

          I saw his interview before the big freak out speech, after it was clear he had finished a disappointing third.

          He was already falling apart. Then in subsequent speeches, he was, like, sedated or something.

          He pulled himself together after a few weeks and handled himself better in New Hampshire. But even there, there was footage of him snapping at cameramen and doping his "Crazy Dean" thing.

          I'm not saying there wasn't a concerted effort by the corporate media to discredit him, I'm saying that he made it REALLY easy for them to do it.

          He never had a chance, if you put your feelings to the side for a moment and think about it logically, you'd see that.

          The Democratic Party didn't torpedo Dean in Iowa because they're evil bad people, they did it because they didn't want Bush to win in a landslide.

          And in that respect, the "Stop Dean" strategy was effective... Kerry came within 3 points of Bush, we held on to 45 seats in the Senate... and we are all probably better off for it.

          I'm soory your guy got beat up by the media, it wasn't exactly fair. But he was an easy mark.

          "I am not a crook" - The Honorable Richard M. Nixon

          by tricky dick on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 11:22:25 PM PST

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          •  You're shouting into the wind. (none)
            Too many posters on this board are too busy hero worshipping and sniping at anyone not walking in lockstep to allow honest discussion of how best to make real gains.  Step out of line - get labeled a troll (see Exhibt A: my post below, and its responses)
      •  Dean would have been a great president (none)
        Dean was a great governor for 11 years and turned around Vermont from a C bond rating to AAA and left it with a surplus.  Their state also ranks one of top states in education, health care, most insured, etc, thanks to him.

        He was a moderate and was criticized but highly respected by the Dems and Repubs alike--but was a consensus builder.

        And he truly believes in government by the people for the people and of the people.

        He stuck for the truth and was not afraid to fully voice his opposition to the war -- because he does not see the need to invade Iraq --even though it was a very unpopular position--and he was right.  

        That is what makes a great leader--when you just dont react but influence public opinion.

        If there was no Howard Dean--what would it be like today?

        And didnt the networks apologize to Dean re-mischaracterizing The Scream?  

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        by timber on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 06:20:39 AM PST

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