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  •  This is not correct (none)
    You dont think they would have thought of this?

    In a cloture vote, silence equals consent. They are not voiting on a bill; its a parliamentary vote.

    Abstentions work only on bill votes or on floor votes for nominations. They dont work on parliamntary votes.

    •  Always around with the helpful little hints, (none)
      aren't you?  

      I respect your right to your right wing talking points, but why don't you go back to your right wing site?? And read my post over at DU while you are at it to see WHY your party is going down:

      http://www.democraticunderground.com/...

      Republicans to Americans: "Are there no prisons?...And the Union workhouses?...Are they still in operation?"

      by adigal on Fri Jan 27, 2006 at 09:05:09 AM PST

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    •  Got A Link To Support That? (none)
      I won't just take your word for it.
    •  Wrong--abstentions are counted as no's (none)
      From Rule 22 itself:
      "Is it the sense of the Senate that the debate shall be brought to a close?" And if that question shall be decided in the affirmative by three-fifths of the Senators duly chosen and sworn -- except on a measure or motion to amend the Senate rules, in which case the necessary affirmative vote shall be two-thirds of the Senators present and voting...

      From the WSJ's Opinion Journal:

      Another example is the U.S. Senate filibuster. Breaking a filibuster requires a vote for "cloture," which ends "debate" on a bill or appointment. A cloture vote requires the approval of three-fifths of senators--not of senators voting or even present, but of all senators currently serving, which means at least 60 when there are no vacancies. Thus if 40 senators are absent or not voting, a 59-1 vote in favor of cloture would still fail.

      Source http://www.opinionjournal.com/...

      "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." Dr. ML King, from a jail cell in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963.

      by bewert on Fri Jan 27, 2006 at 10:33:43 AM PST

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      •  Don't bother the fascist... (none)
        ....with facts.  Quote all the rules, facts, and figures you want at him.  His mind's closed.
      •  This is a judicial filibuster. (none)
        Different rules apply. Why do you think the nuclear options applies? Because going nuclear and destroying Rule 22 would destroy the filibuster overall. Judicial filibusters require yes or no votes. Rule 22 applies to filibusters of bills or resolutions.

        The reason I know I am right is that dont you think the Democracts would have thought of this ploy already and would be planning the walkout.

        •  Ah, yeah--show me the rule then (none)
          If you really think so, prove it. All the rules of the senate are right here in http://rules.senate.gov I quoted the exact rule in an earlier comment and the only exception is "...on a measure or motion to amend the Senate rules..." Judicial nominations are simply a matter before the Senate.

          So please find the one that says judicial nominations are different and enlighten me. You might want to review this discussion of the "nuclear option" as well: http://www.law.virginia.edu/...

          On the other hand, here is the record of an actual Senate judicial cloture vote which shows 86 YEAHS, 13 NAYS, and 1 NOT VOTING.

          You're reasoning "The reason I know I'm right is that don't you think the Democrats would have thought of this ploy already and would be planning the walkout." is pretty ridiculous. Why not dig up some facts.

          "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." Dr. ML King, from a jail cell in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963.

          by bewert on Fri Jan 27, 2006 at 02:56:47 PM PST

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