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  •  they don't have 60 (4.00)
     and that's why they're reacting so furiously to Kerry's statements today.
    •  Same thoughts (4.00)
      Yesterday, I, to the dismay of my three yr old, had Cspan on. When Specter came running in there trying to call for a vote, I thought it odd. But the action is very telling to me. Yes, maybe they thought they had the votes, but the comments he made, the nasty "more people out of the country than in the chamber" snark struck me as odd.
      They may have the votes. Or, they may have had people who they were worried about on the fence. It might not happen, but the important thing to keep in mind is they are always reactionary. There is more going on than we are privy to, of course, and the whining on their side is for a reason.
      Also, notice the quotes from Senators. Frist, Durbin, many others say they don't have the votes to filibuster. And few say they won't filibuster. But they never said they would vote for cloture.

      They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~ Benjamin Franklin

      by melthewriter on Fri Jan 27, 2006 at 12:17:49 PM PST

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      •  I bet Snowe (4.00)
          does not want to vote Yes on the confirmation Tuesday.

        Her leadership didn't let her speak at the end of the day Thursday.  She was scheduled as one of the last 2 speakers, and then they said there was a change, she won't be speaking.

        They're afraid of the news momentum shift if it was announced Snowe was opposing Alito.  They must be pressuring her hard.  But that doesn't mean she won't be "loyal" and let him thru on the cloture vote.

        •  contact olympia snowe (4.00)
          Lets fill her answering machines and fax this weekend with our thoughts on "Minos" (Moderates in name only)
          (and talk to live staffers on monday!)

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    •  On a cloture petition GOP (none)
      has close to 70.  Not a final vote, but on cloture they do.
      •  Don't think so. That's wishful thinking. (4.00)
        The GOP spin people are probably counting heads of people (Democrats) who haven't said they would oppose cloture, and are counting them as supporting cloture.

        This won't be easy for us, but it might be in the realm of the possible.

        Conrad's office by phone mid-day said he's still undecided on the confirmation (contrary to the quote that the AP got earlier).  I know he most likely would not vote nay on a filibuster.

        Interesting that Hillary now supports a filibuster.  Switcheroo.

        •  there are at least (none)
          10 Democrats who have announced that they will oppose a filibuster which is the same thing as supporting cloture.
          •  not necessarily (4.00)
            I think that's the whole point of this diary.

            it's one thing to say that they don't support a filibuster (meaning that they wouldn't instigate one).  it's another to actually cast a vote saying yet to cloture.

            although it's getting late, you still have plenty of time

            by maracuja on Fri Jan 27, 2006 at 01:28:48 PM PST

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          •  Two Things (4.00)
            1.  Which said that they oppose a filibuster, as opposed to saying that they thought one would likely  fail? Big, big difference, and when it is taken account, I don't see how you come up with 10.

            2.  What anyone said about filibuster on Tuesday or Wednesday went completely out of the window yesterday with Kerry's announcement that someone was actually going to try.  And, as we can see this morning, that announcement alone has had impact.  Feinstein was extremely negative about filibuster previously; this morning she's on board.  It's on her website, even.

            I therefore question the current factual basis for your assertion.

            My separate place for mental meanderings: Political Sapphire

            by shanikka on Fri Jan 27, 2006 at 02:35:43 PM PST

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      •  Could you link to or attribute your source (4.00)
        ... of these 10 extra votes? From your posting history, when people independently analyze the source of your unattributed "facts", it usually turns out that you have grossly distorted the information and have to dial it back to reality-based levels.
        .
        Also, as a courtesy, you might work on the growing pile of unsourced "facts" you've posted elsewhere as well. Thank you ever so much.
        .
        •  Links (none)
          How about this one?

          http://www.democrats.com/...

          You can "independently analyze" to your heart's content, but come Monday, cloture will be invoked, and come Tuesday, there will be an extra empty seat on the Third Circuit due to Judge Alito becoming Justice Alito.  So believe me, don't believe me, I don't care.  In 2 days, I will be proven right.

          •  Once again, you have made shit up (4.00)
            The linked material says no such thing. It's merely a list of Senators to call.
            .
            [On a cloture petition GOP] has close to 70.  Not a final vote, but on cloture they do.

            .
            There's no need to actually 'analyze' it -- what you claim is nowhere on that petition. If your expressing your personal opinion, gut instinct, or news you got from the Psychic Friends Network (which is not a news source by the way, no matter how much they're charging you) well that's not exactly inside poop.
            .
            •  Did you read (none)
              the list.  Some Senators are classified as being for the filibuster and some as opposed to it.  The opposed are either in bold or italics.  There is also a running tally.  By my count there are 11 Dems in the latter category.  Which brings the anti-filibsuter vote to 67.  (Which is darn close to 70 I might add).
              •  Your opinion is based on gossamer (none)
                I don't devalue it, but you should make more of an effort, even as a polite troll, at the outset to post sources of your claims.
                .
                Even make some perfunctory effort, however lame, to pretend you've given it some thought, eg, tstate that you are melding with the senate body using the same awesome Fristian brainial prowess that diagnosed long braindead Terri Schiavo as sentient from a scrap of video.
                .
                You know -- not pulling stuff out of your ass so much and holding it up like it's gold.
                .

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