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  •  Superb (4.00)
    An amazing bit of cyber detective work.  Thanks for doing all this amazing work to set the record straight.

    Recommended!

    •  Great job, Jane (4.00)
      You did a wonderful job going up against Brady the other day, especially considering that chickenhawk posse he came with.  The fact that he felt he had to have you there at all is a measure of how thoroughly you have filleted Brady, Howell, and the entire Business As Usual system they've settled into.

      Your blog is one of my must-reads daily.  Spectacular work!

      -4.50, -5.85 Lies are the new Truth.

      by Dallasdoc on Fri Jan 27, 2006 at 07:50:10 PM PST

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      •  Thanks, Doc (4.00)
        I think you were my first blog friend :)
      •  PS (4.00)
        Stoller and Aravosis had a Deborah Howell encounter yesterday at the Washington Press Club.  Aravosis says after an hour and a half of all manner of vapors and hand wringing Stoller finally grabbed the microphone and said "Nothing happened to you! You're fine...it's not like you were hit by a car...you're sitting here, eating a nice meal..."  It's also recounted over at the Hotline Blogometer, but not nearly so well.
        •  Bwahahaha!! (4.00)
          What an egregious bitch she is....  She ought to know better than to get in a pissing contest with Aravosis and friends.  No way to win that one.

          You'd think she was Marie Antoinette waiting for the guillotine, for crying out loud.  What's the world coming to, when you can't suck up to the Republican power structure without catching grief from the hoi polloi?

          -4.50, -5.85 Lies are the new Truth.

          by Dallasdoc on Fri Jan 27, 2006 at 08:13:53 PM PST

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        •  Steve Gilliard covered this as well.... (4.00)
          I got the impression Howell was becoming repentent, but I will check the other links.

          I just wanted to pass on my kudos Jane.  Thank you for all of your hard work as well.

          As I stated below, I think there may be a point of diminishing returns at some point.  Brady has obviously dug in his heels.  It may be time for a cooling off period.  Hopefully, he sees this.

          It seems like he is just blinded by his fury.  Hopefully, after some retrospection, he will take a step back and understand everyone's concerns.

          Now if we could get a correction and an actual link to their "standards of community interaction", we could at least bring this chapter to a close.

          Chris Matthews must apologize! --- Join the Google Bomb

          by justmy2 on Fri Jan 27, 2006 at 08:19:39 PM PST

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          •  "after some retrospection" (4.00)
            Just so you know, I'm not that interested in whether or not Brady is capable of retrospection. That's his business.

            My goal is to do what I can to help his audience clearly evaluate his behavior.

            I also think we need to see those 420 messages. Or an admission that they don't exist.

            •  No slack required (none)
              Indeed their is no need for concern for Mr. Brady's 'retrospection'. That is his to deal with. Our concern remains what Jukebox has written about and this whole ordeal...and what it means for future similar scenarios. Keeping our eye on the ball here, this episode will go down as a Fort Sumpter moment. A 'no more Ms/Mr nice gal/guy' moment.

              Great work by Jukebox and by Jane and all who have taken part in this from the Frontlines position. Also, well done to all who posted on the WPBlog. Even those who (with in reason) bruised poor Mr. Brady's, and Ms Howell's, delicate sensitivities.

            •  You have been an invaluable resource (none)
              FYI-I have been one of your biggest advocates.  I have written and asked anywhere I can why there were  no comments in the response post be Howell asking why comments were being deleted.  This was completely based on one your diaries and I have sourced it back to you everytime.

              I have yet to see a response from reasonable response from anyone.

              No apology required...keep doing what you are doing...

              Chris Matthews must apologize! --- Join the Google Bomb

              by justmy2 on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 01:02:33 AM PST

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          •  the press... (4.00)
            ...didn't get to be like this by accident. the right-wing has been pounding them for some 20 years, until it just became easier to write within right-wing frames than to face another round of abuse. being nice about giving time to reflect was never part of the plan.

            we've got a lot of catching up to in the working-the-refs department. it may not always be pretty, but not easing up is part of it.

            the media has show it can't keep its backbone straight when continuously pressured from the right. the only solution is to put some continuous pressure on that backbone from the other side.

            •  I agree wholeheartedly (none)
              about not easing up.  Look at my signature.

              But at some point, you do reach a point of diminishing returns on a certain issue.  I think this is one we can continue to fall back on as an example in the future, just like Fox always tries to reach back to the Dan Rather incident.

              But Brady is unreachable right now.  He was a disaster in the chat with Jane. And guess what, he probably knows it, unless he has a bunch of yes men working for him.  Will he ever admit, who knows? But he will have to live with himself.  

              In the end, I think it is clear at this point that we have made our point.  I can only imagine the uproar if Howell or Brady try a stunt like this again in the near future.

              By all means, it doesn't hurt to continue trying to get the facts and I hope jukeboxgrad continues to do.

              Chris Matthews must apologize! --- Join the Google Bomb

              by justmy2 on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 01:11:06 AM PST

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              •  asdf (none)
                I mostly agree with your assessment, but it's not just about the returns on this one. It's also about making the Post and everyone else think twice before printing RNC talking points as news, or insulting liberal readers.

                We have to make then as least somewhat cautious about getting us riled up, given that their number one consideration in every decision they make is the pathological fear of hearing the accusation of 'liberal media' yet again from the wingnuts or from Republican politicians.

                I think we can have some success at this, but we'll only come close to matching the effectiveness of the Republicans at 'working the refs' when mainstream Democratic politicians join in regularly (like their Republican counterparts do) to give us more legitimacy and punch. Only Gore, Pelosi and Dean have done it a little bit. It needs to be many, many more of them, and much, much more frequently.

    •  You were great too (4.00)
      I was just telling my husband about the little stunt Vrady pulled with you.  He was just as pissed as I was when it happened.  He wanted to "meet" you, so he's looking at your blog right now.

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