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  •  Choice and separation of powers (4.00)
    I think people can get two ideas at once if democrats put it simply enough.
    •  Teresa, what's up? (none)
      We're agreeing too much for folks that have spent as much time fighting as you and I have...
    •  Agree. (none)
      We have to find a way of hitting both of them.
    •  You dilute it. (4.00)
      You give wiggle room.

      "Choice +" or "Choice and..." lets everyone off scott free.   We enter "laundry list" land.  Karl Rove gets a big smile on his face,

      "Their talking about the unitary executive again"

      There is nothing wrong with George Bush's nomination of Samuel Alito that is not essentially embodied in Alito's refusal to call Roe v Wade settled law.

      Nothing.

      ...k/o...flip the rock...

      by kid oakland on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 10:57:17 AM PST

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      •  Morrison. (none)
        The big deal is with Morrison.

        Rove says, "they're talking about unitary executive again" because he knows that's the one place we can nail them to the wall across the political spectrum.

        <div style="color: #a00000;"> Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshal

        by bronte17 on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 11:03:10 AM PST

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        •  You have 48 hours (none)
          to explain that to the country.  To get saturation.

          Impossible.

          Every single citizen understands Choice, right now.  

          We have Alito on the record on Roe.  

          If the point is to defeat this nomination, then you take that one issue and hit them with it and make them pay.

          ...k/o...flip the rock...

          by kid oakland on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 11:13:20 AM PST

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          •  TKO, KO! (none)
            This diary is so spot on!  Where is a Senator that will Say It?  Just one?  

            Just this morning, on U.N. Radio there was an interview with a population expert regarding the massive surge of non-U.S. monetary support for the U.N. women's rights and population programs -apparently our global gag policy may be backfiring.  This fund supports family planning and HIV/AIDS prevention, in addition to raising the status of women in our world.  We as a nation are taking many steps backward, let us not let Alito be one of them!    

            "An inglorious peace is better than a dishonest war." - Mark Twain

            by skwimmer on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 12:08:39 PM PST

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          •  KO, we only have to convince a handful (none)
            of Senators within the next 48 hours. And, we have to provide them the salient talking points for constituencies to explain the vote.

            Use analogy for explanations. Look, lots of men know what a level is and the purpose is using one to construct things.  If you build your project without a level, it will not be balanced. Eventually your hard work will tip over and break.

            Same thing with our tripartite government.  Do we want balance so our Republic doesn't tip over and break, or do we give one branch, the executive, a vast bloated power resembling a monarchy?

            <div style="color: #a00000;"> Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshal

            by bronte17 on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 01:30:08 PM PST

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            •  Sorry, that's unconvincing and weak. (none)
              Every single American understands choice.

              Every single American understands why a Senator like Clinton or Feinstein cannot go back to New York and California and say, in good faith, to her voters, that she put someone on the Supreme Court who would vote to overturn Roe.

              Even people who disagree with Democrats and don't like us understand that.

              We need to keep it simple and give no quarter.

              That's what the GOP does to us.  

              We need to stand up an demand that the GOP explain why having a Supreme Court justice who opposes Roe is right for this country.

              I'd like to hear it.

              Everybody knows that the second Alito goes through that the country will be awash in "test cases" and "test legislation" on abortion.

              That not's true for anything else.  

              This is about abortion.  That's the fight.

              ...k/o...flip the rock...

              by kid oakland on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 01:44:36 PM PST

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              •  KO --bush's approval rating is at 37% (none)
                and a majority of Americans have said they favor impeachment if he spied on them (NSA illegal wiretapping) and if he lied to them (Iraq War).

                52% of Americans: Impeach Bush on wiretaps Zogby poll

                A new Zogby poll indicates a majority of Americans want Congress to consider impeaching President Bush if he wiretapped American citizens without a judge's approval.

                From the Lexington Herald-Leader in Kentucky (red-state-ville and controlled by GOP):

                ...a poll released last week by Zogby International showed 52 percent of American adults thought Congress should consider impeaching Bush if he wiretapped U.S. citizens without court approval, including 59 percent of independents and 23 percent of Republicans. (The survey had a margin of error of 2.9 percentage points.)

                Given those numbers, impeachment could become an issue in this fall's congressional elections, and dramatically raise the stakes. If Democrats win control of the House of Representatives, a leading proponent of starting an official impeachment inquiry, Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., would become chairman of the House committee that could pursue it.

                The spying incident is a big issue and it should be a dealmaker across the political spectrum to curtail bush's power.  It is part and parcel of the PRIVACY issue, which is where the issue of choice is now defended.

                <div style="color: #a00000;"> Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshal

                by bronte17 on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 05:17:11 PM PST

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                •  That is better... (none)
                  but imo NSA does not link to Alito well enough.  What does he have to do with NSA directly is the question.  

                  (Once again, Sessions ripped on that...mentioning that Alito has not ruled on anything relating to National Security or Executive Branch from his court in Philadelphia.)

                  Alito is on the record on Roe, and the nation knows how the Democrats view Choice.

                  I would argue that if we duck that issue, we weaken anything else we say.

                  Here is a way to talk about choice in broader terms.

                  I call it the Roberts Test.

                  I think this could have broad appeal.

                  ...k/o...flip the rock...

                  by kid oakland on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 05:33:43 PM PST

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                  •  My long-winded answer to explain (none)
                    First, KO, I have the deepest admiration and respect for your work, especially on this issue of choice for women.  My manner was too abrupt on earlier posts, but my focus stays the same. True that NSA and Alito do not necessarily merge in the public conscience, so let me walk through it below.

                    First, Alito's life work has been parallel with the Federalist Society and that group of conservative radicals who laid their groundwork during the Reagan administration.

                    Second, Article I of our Constitution empowers our Congress, the legislative branch.  Article II empowers the executive branch. Bush has usurped upon the Article I powers vested in Congress and it is not being challenged.  Oh, Leahy tried to insert some language in a bill to curtail bush's usurpation of Congress, but David Addington found it and bush carved it out with his signing statement.  Barney Frank tried and failed too.

                    The incorporation of the signing statement and executive orders in the Federal Registry began under the Meese Justice Department and Alito was one of the major players in that movement.  This began the encroachment on Article I of our Constitution and the usurpation of Congressional power by the President.

                    The Supreme Court is to weigh the balance and to protect our Republic.  Yet, if you have radical ideologues benched therein, the vested interests on the Court bench will acquiesce to the executive. I don't want any President to have that kind of power -even a Democrat.

                    WaPo has reported that this Republican-led Congress has given the bush administration the authority to fund/operate a foreign military with no oversight. In the end, you have created an extremely powerful executive -perhaps a Frankenstein.  One man who has direct control of military operations with no Congressional oversight.  

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                    The Republican-lead Congress has been ineffective since in office for any manner of substance.  Yes, the GOP-controlled Congress led an impeachment against Bill Clinton and now they abrogate their power by sitting Alito on the SCOTUS. The Office of Special Counsel will be eliminated by the Roberts/Scalia/Thomas/Alito Supreme Court and oversight flies right out the window. George must be very happy.  Eventually, the Senate will no longer will elected by the people. This is a paradigm shift of catastrophic proportions for democratic representation in our Republic.  

                    [Sorry no links to all this.  It is late and I am tired.  Here's a source for
                    constitutional analysis
                    and the source for updates on same.]

                    <div style="color: #a00000;"> Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshal

                    by bronte17 on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 10:00:11 PM PST

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      •  two things is not (none)
        a laundry list.  The problem is not with arguing two important ideas, but in keeping it simple enough for american citizens to get the message.
      •  Yes, A Streamlined Definition (none)
        KO, I have to agree. This collapsing of message is what the GOP does all the time - and streamlined versions recognize the (low) political intelligence of this country.

        Plus, it's harder for the GOP to vocalize against this - because they are marginalized on this issue and can't afford to draw attention to their outsider views.

        Even another 72 hours of Filibuster = Choice message will intensify the identification of Dems with choice, and that will help us in the future.

        The Senate gets a choice - let's make sure that women do also.

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