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  •  Confused (none)
    Perhaps this is a dumb question, but is abstaining from the cloture vote equivalent to voting 'NO'?

    What would our founding fathers say about trading their civil liberties for safety from terror attacks?
    Give me Liberty or give me death!

    by jeffwass on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 01:27:13 PM PST

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    •  In effect it is equivalent (none)
      60 votes are for cloture. You could have a 59-1 to end the debate and the one holdout would win and the show would go on.

      "No one else could ever be admitted here, since this gate was made only for you. I am now going to shut it."- Franz Kafka, "Before the Law"

      by normal family on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 02:06:45 PM PST

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    •  Not a stupid question (none)
      I didn't realize it myself until yesterday when an informative kossak made it clear that Frist needs 60 votes to stop the debate.  Any senator abstaining either by voting 'present' or just not showing up to vote is in effect a no vote for cloture.  We don't actually need 41 'no' votes but we do need 41 to either abstain or vote no.  This may be an easier pill to swallow for some of the weaker spined dems and some of the repugs who really don't like Alito
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      "Do Iraqi children scream when the bombs fall if no one is in the White House to hear them?" Bernard Chazelle

      by dmac on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 02:54:08 PM PST

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